Jo Swinson

Putting austerity debate aside

Jo Swinson is a fraud

During the referendum campaign she never campaigned for remain, she was interviewed once, she attended one pro remain rally and spent the whole time on her social media talking about her cat and not the referendum and now claims she has been the champion of remain

Also this big no confidence motion she is claiming seems to actually just a letter to corbyn and a political stunt.

The criticism over her lack of time in her constituency has her polled as to lose that seat if an election happens

Clive lewis has just shown her up on bbc politics as has the host also.
 
In a nutshell, the state is a clean different thing to an individual or a business. An individual cannot print money, or tax people, or borrow at a stupidly low rate of interest. The state can do all these things. For it to behave like an individual or a business is the economics of the madhouse. It has a duty to intervene in the market when the market fails to deliver.

If what we were sold was true, why on earth was the Government able to deliver tax cuts? If you are trillions in debt, surely it is madness to cut tax, you should, if anything, be increasing them to pay off the debt. This reveals the truth that austerity was simply bollocks, and an excuse for slashing public services for ideological reasons.

Tax cuts go mainly to people who already have quite enough to live on, or substantially more. They tend not to spend the extra money but salt it away, often in tax havens. In effect, this takes money out of the economy and shrinks it. Give money to people at the bottom of the heap and they will spend virtually every penny, boosting the economy. The only danger is that if you let demand outstrip supply too much, you get inflation. That's why governments need to strike a balance.
 
urban genie said:
Putting austerity debate aside

Jo Swinson is a fraud

During the referendum campaign she never campaigned for remain, she was interviewed once, she attended one pro remain rally and spent the whole time on her social media talking about her cat and not the referendum and now claims she has been the champion of remain

Also this big no confidence motion she is claiming seems to actually just a letter to corbyn and a political stunt.

The criticism over her lack of time in her constituency has her polled as to lose that seat if an election happens

Clive lewis has just shown her up on bbc politics
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Much like Corbyn going from being a life long rabid anti EU man into a remainer, she has seen a way of getting votes so will now become what she feels she needs to be to get them.
 
blueinsa said:
Much like Corbyn going from being a life long rabid anti EU man into a remainer, she has seen a way of getting votes so will now become what she feels she needs to be to get them.
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Not really, don't parrot johnson guff, labour have always stated in any referendum they would be pro remain, a leader is not above the party, corbyn may want to leave as a personal choice, but as a responsible party leader must respect party wishes.
As he is respecting the referendum result and rying to get a deal through.

Brexit pre another referendum labour is deal and leave, if anothr ref happens they revert to their policy and that is correct.
 
The Libs, a virtual irrelevance for donkey's years, may acquire a few more seats if a GE is called soon, but this woman says she wants 'Power.' How that would ever be achieved by literally saying bollocks to over half the electorate is a question nobody appears to have asked her yet.
 
urban genie said:
Not really, don't parrot johnson guff, labour have always stated in any referendum they would be remain, a leader is not above the party, corbyn may want to leave as a personal choice, but as a responsible party leaver must respect party wishes.
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Hang on you want to hang Swinson for doing what Corbyn is doing and for what you make excuses for him?

She might be a leaver (doubt it very much) yet is respecting party wishes?

Cant have it all ways mate.

For what its worth she comes across as condescending and patronising and ive no time for her.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The Libs, a virtual irrelevance for donkey's years, may acquire a few more seats if a GE is called soon, but this woman says she wants 'Power.' How that would ever be achieved by literally saying bollocks to over half the electorate is a question nobody appears to have asked her yet.
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This.

She sees the sun right now and is basking in it due to brexit and those who want to remain seeing her party as a natural home but it wont last and post brexit her party will have less than 10 seats in parliament once again.
 
blueinsa said:
Hang on you want to hang Swinson for doing what Corbyn is doing and for what you make excuses for him?

She might be a leaver (doubt it very much) yet is respecting party wishes?

Cant have it all ways mate.

For what its worth she comes across as condescending and patronising and ive no time for her.
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How are you equating my comment tgat she did fuck all to campaign for remain last time when cobyn attended over 50 rallies, tweeted most days and did multiple interwviews.

Their conduct during the last referendum are totally opposite, he followed his party policy and was prominent in campaigning in person and online she was absent throughout.

Obviously the press mainly focuses on the tory campaign as they headed both campaigns.
 
urban genie said:
Putting austerity debate aside

Jo Swinson is a fraud

During the referendum campaign she never campaigned for remain, she was interviewed once, she attended one pro remain rally and spent the whole time on her social media talking about her cat and not the referendum and now claims she has been the champion of remain

Also this big no confidence motion she is claiming seems to actually just a letter to corbyn and a political stunt.

The criticism over her lack of time in her constituency has her polled as to lose that seat if an election happens

Clive lewis has just shown her up on bbc politics as has the host also.
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She was never likely to be a large figure in the referendum debate as she'd lost her seat and wasn't an MP at the time.
 
urban genie said:
Ed Davy who also lost his seat on 2015 like her, yet he did campaign in th #intogether campain.

As did other MPs that lost seats.
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I'm sure they did. As did the muppet who runs Spoons.

We will never know how hard she would have campaigned if she were an MP, as she wasn't.
 
Rascal said:
The alternative was investment, in effect spend your way out of recession. I know that sounds counter intuitative but investment leads to the multiplier effect and every £1 spent creates maybe £10 in the economy as it goes down the supply chain. For instance, you invest and decide to say build a house, that means you employ people who receive wages who spend them at the local shop, who makes a profit and invests in more stock from the wholesaler who buys more stock from the supplier who employs more people that means less money spent on welfare to produce the goods, who then earn wages to buy the house.

I know that is very simplistic, but it does create growth.

Neo-liberals assume the market always ends in equilibrium and provides what is needed, but in times of depression or stagnation standard rules have to be suspended and require market intervention. This is where the ideology comes in, the Tories and the Lib Dem Orange Bookists believed in the untrammelled power of the market and that if it was left to its own devices it would return to equilibrium, Keynes thought that not to be the case and that some state intervention was required.

At the moment we are at a stage where austerity has shrunk the market and we have what Keynes called the underemployment equilibrium, this can be shown by the amount of zero hours contracts etc.

There is more, but I am reaching into 30 fucking years ago to recall this and I am a senile old fucker ;))
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Keynesian economics has another half to that story. As well as investing through recessions (which is indeed a good idea), you also have to build a surplus whilst the economy is performing well. That surplus can then be invested through the following recession and so on the cycle goes.

Unfortunately, Labour broke the Keynesian cycle under Blair and Brown when the days of boom and bust were declared over. They didn't just overlook building a surplus during times of plenty, but started to build a deficit. The deficit that then ran out of control once the inevitable recession eventually came.

I suppose there's an argument that we could have attempted to spend our way out of the recession regardless. But I don't think it can be called Keynesian as he'd have advocated investing a surplus that should have existed, rather than investing using what would have ended up as mountains of debt.

You either try to steady the ship or try to ride with the current, but really we shouldn't have been in the dangerous water to start with.
 
CityStu said:
Keynesian economics has another half to that story. As well as investing through recessions (which is indeed a good idea), you also have to build a surplus whilst the economy is performing well. That surplus can then be invested through the following recession and so on the cycle goes.

Unfortunately, Labour broke the Keynesian cycle under Blair and Brown when the days of boom and bust were declared over. They didn't just overlook building a surplus during times of plenty, but started to build a deficit. The deficit that then ran out of control once the inevitable recession eventually came.

I suppose there's an argument that we could have attempted to spend our way out of the recession regardless. But I don't think it can be called Keynesian as he'd have advocated investing a surplus that should have existed, rather than investing using what would have ended up as mountains of debt.

You either try to steady the ship or try to ride with the current, but really we shouldn't have been in the dangerous water to start with.
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Of course,i agree, like I said it was a long time ago I studied it :). Labour did run a surplus in the early years under Brown and I agree the ludicrous notion that it was the end of boom and bust came back to haunt it, through the Tory accusation of not fixing the roof whilst the sun shining.
 
CityStu said:
Keynesian economics has another half to that story. As well as investing through recessions (which is indeed a good idea), you also have to build a surplus whilst the economy is performing well. That surplus can then be invested through the following recession and so on the cycle goes.

Unfortunately, Labour broke the Keynesian cycle under Blair and Brown when the days of boom and bust were declared over. They didn't just overlook building a surplus during times of plenty, but started to build a deficit. The deficit that then ran out of control once the inevitable recession eventually came.

I suppose there's an argument that we could have attempted to spend our way out of the recession regardless. But I don't think it can be called Keynesian as he'd have advocated investing a surplus that should have existed, rather than investing using what would have ended up as mountains of debt.

You either try to steady the ship or try to ride with the current, but really we shouldn't have been in the dangerous water to start with.
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Worth mentioning the Tories have borrowed 900m in the past nine years compared to their plan of net borrowing of 300m.
Oh for a return to the pre crash days when Labour were only 2s/6d overdrawn at the bank.
 
Ms Swinson strikes me as a rather silly lady and,a fairly opportunist politician. She is an effective mouthpiece for the remain echo chamber, just as Farage is for the brexit one. I've heard her grilled on her remain stance in several interviews now and she is poor - a student union level politician at best. I could honestly string a better case for remaining in the EU myself, and I don't even believe in it. There are many very good reasons to argue for remain, and she has sadly not been made aware of them. A silly lady.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Ms Swinson strikes me as a rather silly lady and,a fairly opportunist politician. She is an effective mouthpiece for the remain echo chamber, just as Farage is for the brexit one. I've heard her grilled on her remain stance in several interviews now and she is poor - a student union level politician at best. I could honestly string a better case for remaining in the EU myself, and I don't even believe in it. There are many very good reasons to argue for remain, and she has sadly not been made aware of them. A silly lady.
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Got to agree, she has been pretty unimpressive when I've seen her interviewed. Plus she has an annoying habit of seeming very pleased with herself.
 
mackenzie said:
Got to agree, she has been pretty unimpressive when I've seen her interviewed. Plus she has an annoying habit of seeming very pleased with herself.
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The cat that got the cream springs to mind.

Her question in PMQ's yesterday the perfect example.
 
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