You're upset at being called remainers when you very proudly proclaim just that at any and every opportunity?
I haven't heard him call anyone a traitor but if he has he is wrong and should apologise.
Hopefully those that call people racist, xenophobic, nazi and fascist for no other reason than they disagree on brexit can do likewise?
Again you really don’t see the issue? When the PM uses ‘Remainer’ as an insult or tells the country that people who point out the reality or have a different point of view are betting against Britain or not backing Britain?
Remainers have adopted "leaver" as an insult to demean and ridicule another. It's not used in a positive sense by them, is it.Again you really don’t see the issue? When the PM uses ‘Remainer’ as an insult or tells the country that people who point out the reality or have a different point of view are betting against Britain or not backing Britain?
But no one voted for Black Wednesday. The best part of half of the population voted for this, for the sake of argument lets say no one has changed their mind(I do not accept that but bare with me) and look at the landscape. The no-deal is now the 'will of the people'. It has to be done, they tell us - there is no way the vast majority of Leave voters would blame themselves, some have convinced themselves it is what they wanted all along and to fuck with the consequences
He's already talking about 'Brussels' refusing to negotiate - the seed has been planted
Nobody who currently favour no deal will ever admit they were wrong.
Presumably anyone who wants Brexit at any cost and doesn't want the WA.Who favours no deal?
Nobody who currently favour no deal will ever admit they were wrong. And they’ll be angrier with a government that told them it would be fine than with the EU who always said it wouldn’t. The anger will be directed at the government that failed to prepare and made promises it couldn’t keep
My main issue with the WA was that it was seen as having NI no longer part of the UK union by proxy and how the people of NI would react to it.Presumably anyone who wants Brexit at any cost and doesn't want the WA.
Which we keep, since we helped to write those regulations.
Leaving the EU doesn't mean abandoning the regulations we implemented.
I thought we were a rule taker?
Anyway, that’s a side point...
If we were to keep the same tariffs, ie zero tariffs/free trade, we would have to grant the same to every country on the face of planet earth, as per to not fall foul and be liable for a Most Favoured Nation legal challenge.
So effectively we wouldn’t be able to have business as usual on the borders.
@blueinsa this is the point I was making before.
Don't be snarky. It is a side point and one you've completely misunderstood.I thought we were a rule taker?
Anyway, that’s a side point...
If we were to keep the same tariffs, ie zero tariffs/free trade, we would have to grant the same to every country on the face of planet earth, as per to not fall foul and be liable for a Most Favoured Nation legal challenge.
So effectively we wouldn’t be able to have business as usual on the borders.
@blueinsa this is the point I was making before.
Yes, they are. Every Republican is in favour of it as the best of a bad lot and the moderate Unionists are in favour as it preserves the (more) peaceful status quo and the all island economy that's developed over the last 20 years. You want a moderate unionist view talk to @AlexWilliamsGloves about it. They want as little change as possible to their lives. Putting a border in the Irish Sea effects very few, mostly those in import and export, who are all in favour of it as they don't want their supply chains disrupted and checks already happen between Ireland (all of it) and Britain. They'll have a bit more paperwork and that's it, there's already a geographical border, there's already shared territory, there's already regulatory differences between NI and Britain, there's already passport checks between NI and Britain. The only difference with the NI only version of the backstop is that the signs at airports and seaports that read EU Citizens and International would read CTA Citizens and International on your side and EU/UK Citizens and International on ours.My main issue with the WA was that it was seen as having NI no longer part of the UK union by proxy and how the people of NI would react to it.
But you're saying most are in favour of such a backstop reality occuring in the event of no deal being agreed.
I know, i agree, i have always agreed with you on this point.
Our published post brexit tariffs suggest that we will do just that so that it is very much business as usual on the border.
Which means that goods that previously incurred tariffs from those countries with which we have no trade agreement can now export to us tariff free completely undermining our industry and agriculture. But at least there won't be any problem getting goods in. There also won't be any problem getting goods out because all the countries we're giving tariff free access to won't have to reciprocate so exports will go right down.I know, i agree, i have always agreed with you on this point.
Our published post brexit tariffs suggest that we will do just that so that it is very much business as usual on the border.
We cannot have zero tariffs to every country on the planet.
It would destroy our agricultural and manufacturing industries within 12 months.
I can assure you that when we do indeed get over this hill and if and when we leave, there’s absolutely no way we will have zero tariffs to everyone, that’s economic suicide.
Don't be snarky. It is a side point and one you've completely misunderstood.
Not according to the WTO who admit they aren;t sure what the rules would be in this circumstance. We can offer the same terms by referring only to the land border but continue with port checks, which is what we do with other nations anyway because we don't share a land border with them.
I see your issue, i just dont agree there really is one.
Traitor? Not on and if he has said that he should apologise.
Remainer? An insult? really?
Remainers have adopted "leaver" as an insult to demean and ridicule another. It's not used in a positive sense by them, is it.
Goose/gander.
It isn't important to me, it was seemingly important to them, so I held some empathy for them wanting to remain part of the UK Union, not as a vassel state still tied to the EU unlike the rest of the UK.Yes, they are. Every Republican is in favour of it as the best of a bad lot and the moderate Unionists are in favour as it preserves the (more) peaceful status quo and the all island economy that's developed over the last 20 years. You want a moderate unionist view talk to @AlexWilliamsGloves about it. They want as little change as possible to their lives. Putting a border in the Irish Sea effects very few, mostly those in import and export, who are all in favour of it as they don't want their supply chains disrupted and checks already happen between Ireland (all of it) and Britain. They'll have a bit more paperwork and that's it, there's already a geographical border, there's already shared territory, there's already regulatory differences between NI and Britain, there's already passport checks between NI and Britain. The only difference with the NI only version of the backstop is that the signs at airports and seaports that read EU Citizens and International would read CTA Citizens and International on your side and EU/UK Citizens and International on ours.
Then you have the human and economic cost of a 500 mile land border in rural Ireland.
Think about it.
In fact, since this is so important to you, visit, drive the border roads, speak to the people there.