Mikel Oyarzabal

Alan Harper's Tash said:
He doesn't rely on pace, which is the point I believe Keeper! was making in that all good wingers have pace.

He's not Rick Holden slow, but a low centre of gravity and the ability to change direction quickly is much more important to his game.

Physical attributes can make up for shortcomings in players' games. I.e. Kyle Walker isn't the best positionally and doesn't have the best anticipation, but his speed covers for him. If he could anticipate better, he wouldn't need his speed so much.

In the same way, Hazard doesn't run directly away from opponents, he jinks one way and then the other, manipulating the ball in such a way that the defender finds it very difficult to take the ball off him.
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Speed scares defenders, speed can make even the best defenders look like idiots.

Mahrez in my opinion would be far easier to mark than someone with out and out pace like Sane and Sterling.
 
pudge said:
The fuck has that got to do with his point?

Christ, does this Mike lad run with crutches or something?
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The game back then was very slow the ball was slower the pitches also slowed everything and the players were all slower partially through diet and training, so ask yourself `what the fuck has that got to do with his point` Oyarzabal is an outstanding player who is too slow to play winger
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
He doesn't rely on pace, which is the point I believe Keeper! was making in that all good wingers have pace.

He's not Rick Holden slow, but a low centre of gravity and the ability to change direction quickly is much more important to his game.

Physical attributes can make up for shortcomings in players' games. I.e. Kyle Walker isn't the best positionally and doesn't have the best anticipation, but his speed covers for him. If he could anticipate better, he wouldn't need his speed so much.

In the same way, Hazard doesn't run directly away from opponents, he jinks one way and then the other, manipulating the ball in such a way that the defender finds it very difficult to take the ball off him.
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Sound reasoning but you used Hazard and Messi both were outstandingly fast you would have been better using Bernardo who is also faster but a very similar player, but then we already know Bernado can do a job on the wing but a better one as AM
 
Franknorgrovesnephew said:
Serious question are there many wingers out there that have Leroys pace and trickery who are up for sale ?
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#1. Gareth Bale (Real Madrid): 36.9 kph

#2. Orlando Berrio (Flamengo): 36 kph

#3. Kylian Mbappe (PSG): 36 kph

#4. Inaki Williams (Athletic Bilbao): 35.71 kph

#5. Theo Walcott (Everton): 35.7 kph

#6. Leroy Sane (Manchester City): 35.48 kph

5 players quicker than Sane. Number 1 seems available.

We could probably get number 5 for a couple of bags of chips.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Sound reasoning but you used Hazard and Messi both were outstandingly fast you would have been better using Bernardo who is also faster but a very similar player, but then we already know Bernado can do a job on the wing but a better one as AM
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They aren't quick in a straight line. They are quick with the ball and able to move it very fast. Straight line speed isn't that important as a winger. Dribble speed, ball manipulation, positioning and timing of runs are far more important.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
The game back then was very slow the ball was slower the pitches also slowed everything and the players were all slower partially through diet and training, so ask yourself `what the fuck has that got to do with his point` Oyarzabal is an outstanding player who is too slow to play winger
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"You need pace to be a winger"

*Examples are given disproving that

"Yeah but no, you need pace to play as a winger now because reasons"
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
#1. Gareth Bale (Real Madrid): 36.9 kph

#2. Orlando Berrio (Flamengo): 36 kph

#3. Kylian Mbappe (PSG): 36 kph

#4. Inaki Williams (Athletic Bilbao): 35.71 kph

#5. Theo Walcott (Everton): 35.7 kph

#6. Leroy Sane (Manchester City): 35.48 kph

5 players quicker than Sane. Number 1 seems available.

We could probably get number 5 for a couple of bags of chips.
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wouldn't mind no 3 but we can all dream
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
They aren't quick in a straight line. They are quick with the ball and able to move it very fast. Straight line speed isn't that important as a winger. Dribble speed, ball manipulation, positioning and timing of runs are far more important.
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I know you will have watched the Yokohama game, the lesson from that game was that speed dictates who is first to 50/50 balls who controls the space and eventually who controls possession and control of the game, we won that game because we were better in front of the net, this will not have been lost on Pep who loves his midfield and has used these tactics himself for years, if we lose Sane we lose one of the few pace merchants with ability
 
I've gotta start watching foreign leagues more so that I don't have to keep relying on a 5-10 minute Youtube clip some nerd made up hiding all the flaws of a player dubbed with dance music.
 
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