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UK car firms have spent £330m on no deal Brexit preparations.

How many people’s potential wage increases have been affect by that?

How much have we wasted on this suicide mission?

It’s absolutely insane.
 
Today in the mad, mad world of Brexit we pledge to spend half a billion pounds a year to buy livestock from farmers at fixed prices - or maybe we stay in the SM and CU for a couple of years says the PM vaguely


http://bit.ly/2Mmf4rE​
 
BobKowalski said:
Today in the mad, mad world of Brexit we pledge to spend half a billion pounds a year to buy livestock from farmers at fixed prices - or maybe we stay in the SM and CU for a couple of years says the PM vaguely


http://bit.ly/2Mmf4rE​
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Once all of the support packages for the industries adversely affected by WTO terms are added up, it will be interesting to see how much is left over for the NHS
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...Z7aABAtrVqyhfEU8u_0iz0IumM#Echobox=1564556105

Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Boris Johnson has presented a trade deal with the US as a way of offsetting the economic costs of leaving the EU, and Donald Trump promised the two countries could strike “a very substantial trade agreement” that would increase trade “four or five times”.

Trump, however, would not be able to push an agreement through a hostile Congress, where there would be strong bipartisan opposition to any UK trade deal in the event of a threat to the 1998 Good Friday agreement, and to the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...Z7aABAtrVqyhfEU8u_0iz0IumM#Echobox=1564556105

Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Boris Johnson has presented a trade deal with the US as a way of offsetting the economic costs of leaving the EU, and Donald Trump promised the two countries could strike “a very substantial trade agreement” that would increase trade “four or five times”.

Trump, however, would not be able to push an agreement through a hostile Congress, where there would be strong bipartisan opposition to any UK trade deal in the event of a threat to the 1998 Good Friday agreement, and to the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
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Kind of makes the whole “you’re obsessed by the GFA and Irish Border” rhetoric look foolish now.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I bet even the biggest fucking idiots who voted for this are starting to realise that perhaps what they were promised, is not quite as easy to achieve as they were told.

They can't hide behind Theresa May's skirts any longer.
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She definitely didn’t help herself and should have done better but the idea that this was ever going to be easy and make us a better Nation was utter bull shit.

It’s a pity those that manipulated the population and those at Cambridge Analytica aren’t facing criminal charges, because what they’ve done to this country is criminal.
 
BobKowalski said:
Today in the mad, mad world of Brexit we pledge to spend half a billion pounds a year to buy livestock from farmers at fixed prices - or maybe we stay in the SM and CU for a couple of years says the PM vaguely


http://bit.ly/2Mmf4rE​
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That is quite an incredible article.

One might almost think the whole point of austerity was to allow for fiscal expansion when we leave the EU. There must be a forest of magic money trees Johnson can use to help bribe people into acceptance of no deal.

This of course once again raises the question of why on earth do these people advocate leaving so strongly when they are aware of the potential damage it could do to the economy. The Tories of course have to stand up for the farmers, they are part of the landowning class and are typical tory voters in typical rural tory seats, which then begs the question how many of there forest of magic money trees will be available to those in typical non-tory seats. What will happen with industries based in typical non tory seats, will they claim that EU law does not allow for bail outs like they have done with British Steel or will the forest of magic money trees be used to invest in industry too.

As i have stated i am not a supporter of the status quo (remain.) but on reading this article I have to reassess my opinions and this underlines the crux of the whole shebang. If this sort of information was available before the referendum would the result have been different. If the magic money forest was available before the referendum why have we had to endure foodbanks, welfare cuts, police cuts, armed forces cuts, etc etc. Has it really been a sustained political attack on the working class in order for personal enrichment of the elite. Is leaving the EU going to mean we trade neo-liberalism for a turbocharged version of neo-liberalism with bells on it and a Singaporean style economy based on low wages and high profits. Is it an attempt to recreate the old feudalistic order so the likes of Rees Mogg can have house servants and serfs ploughing his land.

I have no problem with leaving the EU, I do have a problem with those leading us out of the EU for the simple reason of i do not trust the cunts to do what is best for all the people of the UK.
 
Ban-jani said:
She definitely didn’t help herself and should have done better but the idea that this was ever going to be easy and make us a better Nation was utter bull shit.

It’s a pity those that manipulated the population and those at Cambridge Analytica aren’t facing criminal charges, because what they’ve done to this country is criminal.
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I'm amazed by the blind loyalty to stupidity of some people on here, many of whom are normally intelligent.

Most folks on here can see straight through UEFA, see through the bias in the media to promote rags etc at the expense of City & all the tricks involved, but some, when it comes to this, are just putting their fingers in their ears & going 'lal la la la' completely ignoring the obvious, yet there has been 10 times the clear evidence that this is a bullshit, corrupt, stitchup, than there has ever been against UEFA.

It's above scouse level delusion. These people are totally arse fucking them & they are bending over & welcoming it.

Anyhow, I'll continue to leave them to it. Cheers.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I'm amazed by the blind loyalty to stupidity of some people on here, many of whom are normally intelligent.

Most folks on here can see straight through UEFA, see through the bias in the media to promote rags etc at the expense of City & all the tricks involved, but some, when it comes to this, are just putting their fingers in their ears & going 'lal la la la' completely ignoring the obvious, yet there has been 10 times the clear evidence that this is a bullshit, corrupt, stitchup, than there has ever been against UEFA.

It's above scouse level delusion. These people are totally arse fucking them & they are bending over & welcoming it.

Anyhow, I'll continue to leave them to it. Cheers.
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The blame game is the worst.

There’s money pouring away in every sector and the pound is so low but it’s the fault of remainers for being negative.

They constantly told us this would be great and now it isn’t it’s everyone’s fault but theirs.

It’s beyond Scouse level delusion in my opinion.

I wonder what would happen to the most ardent leaves if they were to lose their jobs, as a result of this.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I bet even the biggest fucking idiots who voted for this are starting to realise that perhaps what they were promised, is not quite as easy to achieve as they were told.

They can't hide behind Theresa May's skirts any longer.
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I doubt it. They're enjoying the pain. Better to be willingly thrashed than have some EU bureaucrat saying I told you so.
 
Rascal said:
That is quite an incredible article.

One might almost think the whole point of austerity was to allow for fiscal expansion when we leave the EU. There must be a forest of magic money trees Johnson can use to help bribe people into acceptance of no deal.

This of course once again raises the question of why on earth do these people advocate leaving so strongly when they are aware of the potential damage it could do to the economy. The Tories of course have to stand up for the farmers, they are part of the landowning class and are typical tory voters in typical rural tory seats, which then begs the question how many of there forest of magic money trees will be available to those in typical non-tory seats. What will happen with industries based in typical non tory seats, will they claim that EU law does not allow for bail outs like they have done with British Steel or will the forest of magic money trees be used to invest in industry too.

As i have stated i am not a supporter of the status quo (remain.) but on reading this article I have to reassess my opinions and this underlines the crux of the whole shebang. If this sort of information was available before the referendum would the result have been different. If the magic money forest was available before the referendum why have we had to endure foodbanks, welfare cuts, police cuts, armed forces cuts, etc etc. Has it really been a sustained political attack on the working class in order for personal enrichment of the elite. Is leaving the EU going to mean we trade neo-liberalism for a turbocharged version of neo-liberalism with bells on it and a Singaporean style economy based on low wages and high profits. Is it an attempt to recreate the old feudalistic order so the likes of Rees Mogg can have house servants and serfs ploughing his land.

I have no problem with leaving the EU, I do have a problem with those leading us out of the EU for the simple reason of i do not trust the cunts to do what is best for all the people of the UK.
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...If this sort of information was available before the referendum would the result have been different.

It was.
 
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