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Neville Kneville said:
I'm amazed by the blind loyalty to stupidity of some people on here, many of whom are normally intelligent.

Most folks on here can see straight through UEFA, see through the bias in the media to promote rags etc at the expense of City & all the tricks involved, but some, when it comes to this, are just putting their fingers in their ears & going 'lal la la la' completely ignoring the obvious, yet there has been 10 times the clear evidence that this is a bullshit, corrupt, stitchup, than there has ever been against UEFA.

It's above scouse level delusion. These people are totally arse fucking them & they are bending over & welcoming it.

Anyhow, I'll continue to leave them to it. Cheers.
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That is a tad harsh, you underestimate the investment people make in casting a vote on a substantive issue. It is psychologically difficult to accept you may have been wrong when you do invest so much into a cause regardless of the outcome. If a person truly believes that they are acting in the best interests of the nation, then calling them stupid and blindly loyal will only entrench their view that they were right in the first place.

I do not believe that people who voted leave or remain are stupid, delusional or blindly loyal they simply want what they have been led to believe is in there own particular best interests and in the best interests of the nation. I truly think there are noble and honourable people on both sides of the divide who genuinely want what is best for everyone, the problem has been the divisive and poisonous nature of the debate, its influencing from outside vested interests and a small but influential vocal cabal of lunatics.
 
Ban-jani said:
UK car firms have spent £330m on no deal Brexit preparations.

How many people’s potential wage increases have been affect by that?

How much have we wasted on this suicide mission?

It’s absolutely insane.
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They've spent less than that on actual investment in the industry - down from £2 billion the year before the referendum.
 
BobKowalski said:
Today in the mad, mad world of Brexit we pledge to spend half a billion pounds a year to buy livestock from farmers at fixed prices - or maybe we stay in the SM and CU for a couple of years says the PM vaguely


http://bit.ly/2Mmf4rE​
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"When the Japan deal was announced the government said it could be worth £52 million to lamb farmers over five years,

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or about 2.67 per cent of present exports to the EU."
 
Vic said:
They've spent less than that on actual investment in the industry - down from £2 billion the year before the referendum.
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How many personal stories does that include as well, within these figures?

How many people laid off, how many people not getting the pay rises expected?

We were about to populate a 1400 person site for our client in central London and they’ve put that off. My pay could have increased dramatically because of that but the company is now deciding to hold off because of uncertainty in the financial sector, caused by Brexit.

That’s also 1400 new jobs for people that are delayed too.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...Z7aABAtrVqyhfEU8u_0iz0IumM#Echobox=1564556105

Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Boris Johnson has presented a trade deal with the US as a way of offsetting the economic costs of leaving the EU, and Donald Trump promised the two countries could strike “a very substantial trade agreement” that would increase trade “four or five times”.

Trump, however, would not be able to push an agreement through a hostile Congress, where there would be strong bipartisan opposition to any UK trade deal in the event of a threat to the 1998 Good Friday agreement, and to the open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.
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But it's fine for the Irish and the EU to jeopardise the GFA by trying to force a separation of the North from the UK via a different political and economic status. Sinn Fein now demanding a new unity referendum and Mary Lou McDonald insulting and threatening the UK as I type, if Johnson goes ahead with Brexit after meeting them he does so 'with his eyes wide open' as to the consequences for peace.
 
The government, aided and abetted by ideology’s and their mates in certain parts of the media have played a blinder, they really have

From banging on about the benefits of leaving, some more exaggerated than others, they have almost seamlessly transitioned to offering bailouts, closing businesses with heavy hearts and devalued the currency to almost 1v1 against the Euro and not not far off V the Dollar

And for what? For what, really? They don’t mention tangibles. They don’t mention targeted plans. For example, where are these farmers going to export to where they can’t already and be competitive?
 
George Hannah said:
But it's fine for the Irish and the EU to jeopardise the GFA by trying to force a separation of the North from the UK via a different political and economic status. Sinn Fein now demanding a new unity referendum and Mary Lou McDonald insulting and threatening the UK as I type.
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Thats what Sinn Fein do...that is their purpose, that is what they have always wanted and literally fought for.

Ireland and the EU are not initiating this potential separation though...it was started by Brexit, which didnt take into account the GFA
 
Rascal said:
"The Federated Republic of Europe is what we must be, The United States of Europe. National autonomy no longer suffices. Economic evolution demands the abolition of national frontiers. If Europe is to remain split into national groups, then Imperialism will recommence its work. Only a Federated Republic of Europe can bring peace to the world"

Fuck me, Trotsky was a remainer :))
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Sounds rather like Churchill.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Thats what Sinn Fein do...that is their purpose, that is what they have always wanted and literally fought for.
Ireland and the EU are not initiating this potential separation though...it was started by Brexit, which didnt take into account the GFA
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When the UK votes to leave the EU that's what should happen and without the Irish/EU attempts to use threats of a revival of terrorism in NI to stop it.
 
George Hannah said:
When the UK votes to leave the EU that's what should happen and without the Irish/EU attempts to use threats of a revival of terrorism in NI to stop it.
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Ireland and the EU are not threatening terrorism...and if anything, theres probably more threat of violence from the loyalist community

The Irish issue is not new, it hasnt emerged because of brexit
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Ireland and the EU are not threatening terrorism...and if anything, theres probably more threat of violence from the loyalist community

The Irish issue is not new, it hasnt emerged because of brexit
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Correct it hasn’t

Neither has its not us who are threatening violence it’s the other lot .

Can’t you all just get along and live in peace.

You could start by getting your power sharing government up and running again
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Correct it hasn’t

Neither has its not us who are threatening violence it’s the other lot .

Can’t you all just get along and live in peace.

You could start by getting your power sharing government up and running again
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We have been mate, for over 20 years...it has been brilliant...and the majority of people here voted to remain, and maintain the peace process and continue working to the terms of the GFA.

Then Brexit came along, with no discernible plan (specifically in relation to NI) and fecked everything up. Through no decision or making of ours, the GFA is being threatened

Yes, we would all like our government to be back up and running...and im confident it will, unless direct rule is imposed.....but, us having a running government is not going to have any impact on Brexit is it?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
We have been mate, for over 20 years...it has been brilliant...and the majority of people here voted to remain, and maintain the peace process and continue working to the terms of the GFA.

Then Brexit came along, with no discernible plan (specifically in relation to NI) and fecked everything up. Through no decision or making of ours, the GFA is being threatened

Yes, we would all like our government to be back up and running...and im confident it will, unless direct rule is imposed.....but, us having a running government is not going to have any impact on Brexit is it?
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Well at the moment your political representation of Northern Ireland on Brexit is is the dup in Westminster and I am sure they don’t represent the full spectrum of views on Northern Ireland

I think getting stormont up and running at this time would give some focus and bring some sensible debate and hopefully northern Irish interests are represented on all sides and a political voice . Like the Scottish parlaiment does .

I imagine being directly ruled from England isn’t great at this delicate time
 
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