Another new Brexit thread

[blueparrot]

And where will Europe get it's fish from in return?

In return for what, it's just a fact if we cause delays or tariffs for getting our seafood into European markets we'll sell less of all the species we can't sell in our home market.

 

[Blue Hefner]

What happens if "our" fish decide they like the water in the EU and swim over there. Then we have no fish.

Crafty fuckers them fish types, they want their plankton and eat it.

Build that wall, build that wall.....

 

[Metal Biker]

In return for what, it's just a fact if we cause delays or tariffs for getting our seafood into European markets we'll sell less of all the species we can't sell in our home market.

No, you misunderstood; from where will Europe get it's fish from? Which other nation?

 

[Rascal]

I think much of leave is about misplaced nationalism and patriotism. The only thing the hard leavers in my office mention is how to stick it up Merkel/Macron/Juncker/*Insert EU politician here*.

They are fundamentally not interested in the detail which is why the remain side putting forward arguments on economics and the details of the Irish border is stupid. This reaction completely misunderstands why people voted to leave.

The only reason people fear a border in NI/Ireland is because of its history of anti-British terrorism. Arguing to remain on the basis of fear of that terrorism certainly won't appease the patriotic or nationalistic.

The only way remain can win this argument and reconcile leavers is to paste a positive light on our existing membership of the EU, and I don't mean any future where we become a more integrated part of it.

Some on here want us to remain and I am one of them. The problem and where I disagree with some remainers is they argue to remain on economics but then let slip another goal which is the ultra remain united Europe....

The EU Parliament is currently majority controlled by left leaning social democratics who largely believe in a united Europe. It is therefore obvious why people fear relinquishing control to these people by us remaining. Has remain helped alleviate their fears though? Nope, all remain has done is attacked the idea of leaving and that isn't enough.

That is a very good post.

Chapeau

 

[Metal Biker]

Build that wall, build that wall.....

Good to see sensible arguments returning to the debate.

 

[blueparrot]

No, you misunderstood; from where will Europe get it's fish from? Which other nation?

The types of fish we sell, maybe Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Northern France, Ireland. Don't know I'm not a fishing expert but would guess they all have similar waters to us.

 

[Ban-jani]

Then you've paid no attention to them these past 4 years.

A humble sacrifice for remainers. Assauge their fears, assauge leavers fears, assauge leavers criticisms, and we'll likely get on board with the idea of remaining. But as Inbetween just mentioned, remainers haven't done this.

No you’ve completely misunderstood the point and are now babbling.

The point was leave politicians always bang on about the fishing industry when it’s such an insignificant part of our country's industry, in terms of money, JOBs and livelihoods.

Nobody is losing anything by staying in the EU, who work in fishing. They may make small gains and that’s why it’s the go to by them, it’s the only industry that may improve, whilst it’s so insignificant but when you factor what we’re about to lose from our service industry - 80+% - many more people’s lives are about to be crushed.

But that’s ok with you?

Money does matter, the result of no money is poverty.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Good to see sensible arguments returning to the debate.

Boris Johnson is Prime Minister. Sensible debate is well out of the window

 

[Metal Biker]

The types of fish we sell, maybe Norway, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Northern France, Ireland. Don't know I'm not a fishing expert but would guess they all have similar waters to us.

It's more the landlocked nations that require access to our waters, but when you remove British fishing waters, the rest will end up overfishing in order to meet supply and demand. Unless of course, they buy our fish from us.

 

[Blue Hefner]

No you’ve completely misunderstood the point and are now babbling.

The point was leave politicians always bang on about the fishing industry when it’s such an insignificant part of our country's industry, in terms of money, JOBs and livelihoods.

Nobody is losing anything by staying in the EU, who work in fishing. They may make small gains and that’s why it’s the go to by them, it’s the only industry that may improve, whilst it’s so insignificant but when you factor what we’re about to lose from our service industry - 80+% - many more people’s lives are about to be crushed.

But that’s ok with you?

Money does matter, the result of no money is poverty.

In the words of Del Boy Trotter “money isn’t everything but it takes the edge of being skint”

 

[Metal Biker]

No you’ve completely misunderstood the point and are now babbling.

Don't go off on one with me like you did Fumble yesterday.

I'm not interested, especially not if you open with a line like that.

Debate respectfully or not at all.

 

[blueparrot]

It's more the landlocked nations that require access to our waters, but when you remove British fishing waters, the rest will end up overfishing in order to meet supply and demand. Unless of course, they buy our fish from us.

We were talking about the uk fleet selling their catches into the EU, not landlocked EU countries fishing in our waters. Anything that makes selling UK catches into the EU more difficult / time consuming or expensive is going to impact that market and on UK fishermen. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Metal Biker]

We were talking about the uk fleet selling their catches into the EU, not landlocked EU countries fishing in our waters. Anything that makes selling UK catches into the EU more difficult / time consuming or expensive is going to impact that market and on UK fishermen. That's all I'm saying.

And the EU not buying UK fish will have to resort to the waters they have, resulting in overfishing, meaning their supply will run low, forcing them to import from elsewhere. I asked you, who.

 

[blueparrot]

And the EU not buying UK fish will have to resort to the waters they have, resulting in overfishing, meaning their supply will run low, forcing them to import from elsewhere. I asked you, who.

As I said Norway, Denmark,Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Northern France, Ireland.

 

[Metal Biker]

As I said Norway, Denmark,Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Northern France, Ireland.

And when those waters are overfished? They're already at a concerning level as it is.

 

[Ban-jani]

Don't go off on one with me like you did Fumble yesterday.

I'm not interested, especially not if you open with a line like that.

Debate respectfully or not at all.

Fumble deserved that and he started it when I was being polite.

If you want a sensible debate, answer the rest of my post.

 

[blueparrot]

And when those waters are overfished? They're already at a concerning level as it is.

Same as when ours are over fished, which for many popular species they already are. Smaller quotas and eat different fish, which the EU tend to do unlike us in the UK who restrict ourselves, which is why most of the Cod and Haddock we eat is imported and a large part of the stuff we catch is sold into the EU, because we won't buy it.

 

[west didsblue]

And the EU not buying UK fish will have to resort to the waters they have, resulting in overfishing, meaning their supply will run low, forcing them to import from elsewhere. I asked you, who.

You are demonstrating a total lack of understanding of the fishing industry.
We currently import most of our fish that we eat from the EU and export most of what we catch to the EU. We mostly export mackerel. If there was a reduction in the amount of mackerel available in the EU they would probably eat more of the fish they currently export to us and we would eat more mackerel instead of prawns. All that would happen is that there would be reduced choice on both sides.

By the way, the only landlocked EU country in Western Europe is Luxembourg. I'm sure they'll manage. I suspect the landlocked countries in central and eastern Europe don't buy too many fish from us anyway.

 

[Metal Biker]

Same as when ours are over fished, which for many popular species they already are. Smaller quotas and eat different fish, which the EU tend to do unlike us in the UK who restrict ourselves, which is why most of the Cod and Haddock we eat is imported and a large part of the stuff we catch is sold into the EU, because we won't buy it.

So, where will the EU import from when European waters and popular species are overfished? Third time of asking now.

 

[blueparrot]

You are demonstrating a total lack of understanding of the fishing industry.
We currently import most of our fish that we eat from the EU and export most of what we catch to the EU. We mostly export mackerel. If there was a reduction in the amount of mackerel available in the EU they would probably eat more of the fish they currently export to us and we would eat more mackerel instead of prawns. All that would happen is that there would be reduced choice on both sides.

By the way, the only landlocked EU country in Western Europe is Luxembourg. I'm sure they'll manage. I suspect the landlocked countries in central and eastern Europe don't buy too many fish from us anyway.

This, the only problem is we've been trying to persuade the UK to buy and eat more UK landed fish like Mackerel for years with no success.