Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Faith...............all it needs is faith in success to succeed ........its obvious

Thanks again to John Crace:

After giving a speech outside Downing Street in which he claimed what was wrong with the United Kingdom was that half of us were too gloomy and needed to cheer up a bit – a strange way to unite the country, not least because there is nothing more guaranteed to make someone depressed than a delusional narcissist telling you to be happy – Boris Johnson went inside to appoint his cabinet. Not so much a reshuffle as an entire change of government. Never let it be said Johnson doesn’t know how to hold a grudge. Out went the vaguely decent and moderately useless, and in came the completely venal and morally compromised. Imagine a cabinet so bad that even Chris Grayling, the Failures’ Failure, chose to quit before he was sacked. A cabinet in which Gavin Williamson, who was allegedly sacked for leaking details of a national security council briefing, is reinstated as education secretary. In which the once pro-hanging Priti Patel, who was sacked for being less than candid about conducting her own private diplomacy with Israel, is put in charge of the country’s security as home secretary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ar-from-the-opera-of-boris-johnson-coronation

 

[bluethrunthru]

So - we have already paid £6bn of the £39bn over thanks to the delays in Brexit - the remaining £33bn is now cut by a further £6.3bn Brexit commitments - Johnson is a fucking liar and is taking the country down the road of of the rich folks no deal - Francois will be devastated t learn the real impacts as he has clearly shown he has no grasp on what will happen but meantime the country is being fleeced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business...uk/news/uk&link_location=live-reporting-story

 

[bluethrunthru]

Not sure what you were trying there

 

[Vic]

Make stock ?

https://images.app.goo.gl/kVjcnCXmqJaspwXJA

 

[bluethrunthru]

https://images.app.goo.gl/kVjcnCXmqJaspwXJA

chernobyl............foot and mouth................this will be the 3rd strike so Welsh hill farming will be out

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Fair enough and well said

But why should all of England and Wales be held forevermore in a political straightjacket and casually ruled by the EU due to this historic nonsense of hateful cunts

Does that not just reward them and pander to terrorists?

Can you not see why that irks?

Pretty much how nationalists in the north and south felt with the formation of NI, pandering to a loyalist militia that wouldn’t accept a democratic vote and home rule.

Your conservative government is still pandering to the DUP who were the only party against the GFA, but profited in the elections after it.

I can see why it irks you, but agree with very little you have to say concerning Ireland. I won’t try to change how you see things though because it would be a shocking waste of my time.

If England and Wales want out of the EU, fine. Maybe the way to have gone about it was to word it something like.

Would you want to break the United Kingdom up in order to exit the EU.
Would you be prepared to let each member state have an individual choice of staying or remaining.

Doubt that would have got a majority.

This whole mess is of the UKs making.
I don’t have a lot of time for Varadkar myself but calling him and the EU shameless and putting any threat of future unrest at their door is simply not true no matter how many times you say it or how many ways.

Many are of the opinion that the border was never viable on this island but that was the British solution with a threat of violence because basically you’ve never given a fnck about what is right for the people here, north or south.

The backstop you hate so much was originally negotiated as being borderless on the island. Your lot insisted on having it as it is now.

Now you want it removed in a Conservative party power struggle.

Our side of the negotiations are shamelessly exploiting it though.

Do me a favour. Don’t reply to this. I know your opinion. We all do at this stage.

 

[Rascal]

Fuck me is Bannon simply the latest bogey man that Remainers are going to associate Leavers to?

I keep seeing his name repeatedly in their desperate attempts to

I had never heard of the fucker when I cast my vote and I bet few people had

FFS - give all this demeaning by association a rest - it's pathetic

Bannon is a **** full stop, and people on both sides of the debate should see him as a bogey man, because he is a bogey man. I Knew who he was before the vote and the fact he was involved does sully the outcome. He is Chairman of Breitbart, a far right American "news" network, although I would hesitate to use the word news as it should be replaced with propaganda. His spawn include Kassam, Pyjama Paul Watson and others who identify as "classical liberal"

I don't see it as demeaning by association, I see it as demeaning to our democracy. I like to think I can see through their continual bullshit but I have no doubt there malign influence had an effect on the vote whether you like it or not mate. Ask yourself why an American far right organisation were involved in the process? It was in my opinion for nefarious ends.

 

[mcfc1632]

Agreed.

Very selective

Very typical

 

[mcfc1632]

Pretty much how nationalists in the north and south felt with the formation of NI, pandering to a loyalist militia that wouldn’t accept a democratic vote and home rule.

Your conservative government is still pandering to the DUP who were the only party against the GFA, but profited in the elections after it.

I can see why it irks you, but agree with very little you have to say concerning Ireland. I won’t try to change how you see things though because it would be a shocking waste of my time.

If England and Wales want out of the EU, fine. Maybe the way to have gone about it was to word it something like.

Would you want to break the United Kingdom up in order to exit the EU.
Would you be prepared to let each member state have an individual choice of staying or remaining.

Doubt that would have got a majority.

This whole mess is of the UKs making.
I don’t have a lot of time for Varadkar myself but calling him and the EU shameless and putting any threat of future unrest at their door is simply not true no matter how many times you say it or how many ways.

Many are of the opinion that the border was never viable on this island but that was the British solution with a threat of violence because basically you’ve never given a fnck about what is right for the people here, north or south.

The backstop you hate so much was originally negotiated as being borderless on the island. Your lot insisted on having it as it is now.

Now you want it removed in a Conservative party power struggle.

Our side of the negotiations are shamelessly exploiting it though.

Do me a favour. Don’t reply to this. I know your opinion. We all do at this stage.

Do me a favour. Don’t reply to this. I know your opinion. We all do at this stage. ?

Well that is not how it works I am afraid - how is that remotely valid when set out in yet another post replying to me?

Do you not think that we don't all know your opinion at this stage?

I have simply posted that the entire debate and these threads is dominated by the views of Ireland and to a lesser extent N.I.

Since making those posts there have been many pages that have proven the veracity of what I have said

All I have pointed out is that a significant majority of England's voters voted to Leave an EU that may have been good for Ireland but they deemed has not been good for England

Of course having the temerity to point out that the English might deserve to have a say in how things proceed is unwelcome to you

The backstop is an hideous mechanism that will be used and abused by the EU and, IMO, gleefully abetted by Varadkar. There should be no consideration of it being accepted by those that are looking to the best interests of the majority of the UK - inconveniently for you that is the English who's interests you seemingly wish to be left out of the discussions

Please practice what you preach and stop replying to my messages - if you do reply, please acknowledge that it clearly displays double standards

 

[mcfc1632]

Bannon is a **** full stop, and people on both sides of the debate should see him as a bogey man, because he is a bogey man. I Knew who he was before the vote and the fact he was involved does sully the outcome. He is Chairman of Breitbart, a far right American "news" network, although I would hesitate to use the word news as it should be replaced with propaganda. His spawn include Kassam, Pyjama Paul Watson and others who identify as "classical liberal"

I don't see it as demeaning by association, I see it as demeaning to our democracy. I like to think I can see through their continual bullshit but I have no doubt there malign influence had an effect on the vote whether you like it or not mate. Ask yourself why an American far right organisation were involved in the process? It was in my opinion for nefarious ends.

He seems a total **** to me - and of course I have become aware of him and his background

Had nothing to do with my vote nor that of any Leaver that I know

Just seems like the latest demeaning by association ploy of Remainers to me

I know that you are being more genuinely and generally appalled by the individual - my post(s) was not aimed at you - it was aimed at those that do practice the demeaning ploy

 

[Mon Autre]

He seems a total **** to me - and of course I have become aware of him and his background

Had nothing to do with my vote nor that of any Leaver that I know

Just seems like the latest demeaning by association ploy of Remainers to me

I know that you are being more genuinely and generally appalled by the individual - my post(s) was not aimed at you - it was aimed at those that do practice the demeaning ploy

Well he was a key figure behind the illegal harvesting of people's data and the bombardment of false information into people's Facebook timelimes in behalf of leave.eu. So like it or not, he did influence people's votes. Maybe not yours, but definitely others. In an era where people have been known to chuck the word fascist around willy nilly, he's also a rare case of someone who comfortably meets the definition of one. He has no place in UK politics or as a commentator of any sort on our public broadcaster. He offers no legitimate counter point to anything.

 

[Vic]

Apart from Bannon, the Russians, the racists, the lies, the overspending, Cambridge Analytica, the facebook ads, the false promise of we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border, the lack of mention of leaving with no deal,

what else had no influence on any Leave voter on here?

 

[Blue Hefner]

I’ve just watched the first 10 minutes of Sky News. A few things:
1) 1bn rising to £2bn to help agencies and businesses with no-deal
2) Giving Highway Agency officers more powers resulting in them becoming ‘part time policemen’
3) Offering more contracts for rail, road and ferry capacity

This is madness. If anyone seriously thinks anyone from the EU is looking at this and thinks this is the UK meaning business then they are out of their minds, quite frankly. This is unsustainable and for what? They aren’t even discussing benefits anymore they are just reassuring us that food and medicine will be on the shelves

Let’s get serious. No one thinks we are going through with ‘no-deal’ and no one in their right mind thinks Brexit is worth this, surely

Call it a day

 

[blueinsa]

Apart from Bannon, the Russians, the racists, the lies, the overspending, Cambridge Analytica, the facebook ads, the false promise of we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border, the lack of mention of leaving with no deal,

what else had no influence on any Leave voter on here?

Remain argument and opinion.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Apart from Bannon, the Russians, the racists, the lies, the overspending, Cambridge Analytica, the facebook ads, the false promise of we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border, the lack of mention of leaving with no deal,

what else had no influence on any Leave voter on here?

Vic does your wife wake up in the morning and say , vic you muttering again in your sleep.

Was I what was I saying ?

Something about a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border , to be honest you say it most nights in your sleep .....

;)

 

[dave_blue12]

I’ve just watched the first 10 minutes of Sky News. A few things:
1) 1bn rising to £2bn to help agencies and businesses with no-deal
2) Giving Highway Agency officers more powers resulting in them becoming ‘part time policemen’
3) Offering more contracts for rail, road and ferry capacity

This is madness. If anyone seriously thinks anyone from the EU is looking at this and thinks this is the UK meaning business then they are out of their minds, quite frankly. This is unsustainable and for what? They aren’t even discussing benefits anymore they are just reassuring us that food and medicine will be on the shelves

Let’s get serious. No one thinks we are going through with ‘no-deal’ and no one in their right mind thinks Brexit is worth this, surely

Call it a day

As they demonstrate on here on a daily basis there are still plenty who believe that Brexit is a good idea.

 

[mcfc1632]

It’s odd that you’re speaking about the future in the past tense like it’s fact.

Judging by the time of day and that I am holiday that was probably down to a mixture of too many pints and a good capability to understand how things will develop

 

[Mon Autre]

I’ve just watched the first 10 minutes of Sky News. A few things:
1) 1bn rising to £2bn to help agencies and businesses with no-deal
2) Giving Highway Agency officers more powers resulting in them becoming ‘part time policemen’
3) Offering more contracts for rail, road and ferry capacity

This is madness. If anyone seriously thinks anyone from the EU is looking at this and thinks this is the UK meaning business then they are out of their minds, quite frankly. This is unsustainable and for what? They aren’t even discussing benefits anymore they are just reassuring us that food and medicine will be on the shelves

Let’s get serious. No one thinks we are going through with ‘no-deal’ and no one in their right mind thinks Brexit is worth this, surely

Call it a day

It's pretty gutting that after years of austerity and in a country that can't/won't find money to eradicate the need for kids as young as 8 to be full time carers to disabled parents, that that can't/won't properly support ex members of the armed forces, that we can suddenly find billions to throw at a game of chicken that we won't win and will result in a huge act of self harm. It's actually diabolical.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Brexit is a bad idea. It’s supposed to be a bad idea. It’s supposed to go wrong, it’s supposed to bring the country down

Then along comes along, let’s call him Figel Narage, a ‘strong man’ ala Trump

To reconstruct society, first of all you have to break it - who said that?

 

[Blue Hefner]

It's pretty gutting that after years of austerity and in a country that can't/won't find money to eradicate the need for kids as young as 8 to be full time carers to disabled parents, that that can't/won't properly support ex members of the armed forces, that we can suddenly find billions to throw at a game of chicken that we won't win and will result in a huge act of self harm. It's actually diabolical.

I’m sure they would argue this is an investment as we will ‘win’ and make our money back whereas funding state schools above the absolute minimum is not a good way to spend the money