The irony being that the Brexit brigade is exactly that, “nationalistic”.
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The irony being that the Brexit brigade is exactly that, “nationalistic”.
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The irony being that the Brexit brigade is exactly that, “nationalistic”.
So you all keep saying.
The only talk of independence is from Nationalist parties in Scotland and NI.
Perfectly put.
I could expand my view into saying that I have always felt there is a certain arrogance surrounding being English that I have not found with the other constituent nations. This arrogance manifests itself in the Little Englander mentality and his dreams of Empire. Since WW2 the UK has struggled to find a role for itself in the world, the Empire has crumbled, the navy is no longer the largest afloat and it clings to the past almost as if it yearns for it. Rees Mogg with his Victorian attitudes is a classic example of wishing to return to how things were, those long golden summer days, the sound of leather on willow as cups of tea are quietly sipped and gentle applause ripples around the green in acknowledgement of a stoical rearguard action in the face of a hostile attack. In the last few hundred years Perfidious Albion has stood alone whilst fighting on foreign fields. It has led to English exceptionalism and arrogance that England (not Britain) is always right and there by the grace of god. What other nation would show the arrogance of sending troops with bright Red tunics into battle, it is a superiority complex that inhabits our nation. Any nay sayer is judged as a traitor or Marxist and this is being acted out in the BREXIT debate. That arrogance that we can stand alone because we are who we are and we will not be subservient to any other master, The Welsh, the Scots and the Irish are use to being subservient to London, the English hate being seen as subservient to anyone because of our history. Because of that arrogance that history brought to the English and because we stood alone. One of the most humourous facets of the whole Brexit debate is how the English have become a nation of historians, they can tell you about Dunkirk but not how to spell its proper name, they can tell you about Churchill but not about his disasters. This is all fed to the people by the rich and the ruling class because they themselves yearn for the times when the working class knew their place. That is why that arrogance took such a hit when vast swathes of the working class turned Brexit it on its head and voted leave, it was the culmination of the years of arrogance that had been shown towards the people.
Nail on the head.
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Actually it's globalist and narrated by those who want to leave an isolated European bloc to trade openly and have better relations with Europe AND the outside world in decisions dictated to by it's people, not by career politicians in Brussels.The irony being that the Brexit brigade is exactly that, “nationalistic”.
But it's easier to dismiss this by ignoring it and just shouting "racist" at everybody.
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Nail on the head.
It was.
He got the lot in so credit to him.
Little Englander...WW2...Empire...Perfidious Albion...Dunkirk...the rich ruling classes and Churchill.
Who is it again living in the past?
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The only talk of independence is from Nationalist parties in Scotland and NI.
i know, im just asking the question...id never really considered it before.
If NI leave the Union, we would join the RoI...we wouldn't go independent....Scotland would be independent....but that would leave England and Wales.
I guess im just wondering how important it is for the whole of the UK to leave...does NI and Scotland have any "worth" to England and Wales
Actually it's globalist and narrated by those who want to leave an isolated European bloc to trade openly and have better relations with Europe AND the outside world in decisions dictated to by it's people not by career politicians in Brussels.
But it's easier to dismiss this by ignoring it and just shouting "racist" at everybody.
Europe is “isolated” yet the biggest trading block alongside the USA and with very similar GDP and who do deals with many territories as a joint union of powerful, wealthy and resource rich countries.
But we’re going solo and the world is our oyster. Yes we’ve all heard his story before, how it’s still being spun and believed is beyond me.
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Not to the Brexiteers, they'll quite happily cut you adrift to get their wishes.i know, im just asking the question...id never really considered it before.
If NI leave the Union, we would join the RoI...we wouldn't go independent....Scotland would be independent....but that would leave England and Wales.
I guess im just wondering how important it is for the whole of the UK to leave...does NI and Scotland have any "worth" to England and Wales
It was.
He got the lot in so credit to him.
Little Englander...WW2...Empire...Perfidious Albion...Dunkirk...the rich ruling classes and Churchill.
Who is it again living in the past?
You and a number of other people unfortunately.
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Well Scotland recently held a referendum to leave the UK, so the question must be how much "worth" is England and Wales to Scotland.i know, im just asking the question...id never really considered it before.
If NI leave the Union, we would join the RoI...we wouldn't go independent....Scotland would be independent....but that would leave England and Wales.
I guess im just wondering how important it is for the whole of the UK to leave...does NI and Scotland have any "worth" to England and Wales
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Well Scotland recently held a referendum to leave the UK, so the question must be how much "worth" is England and Wales to Scotland.
Not really, a sizeable amount of the population wanted to be independent...and that was before Brexit....it could be very different now, it could be even more.
So that would suggest, not enough to prevent wanting to be independent
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So the UK can form it's own trade partnership with the US/India/Commonwealth etc without interference from the EU can it?Europe is “isolated” yet the biggest trading block alongside the USA and with very similar GDP and who do deals with many territories as a joint union of powerful, wealthy and resource rich countries.
But we’re going solo and the world is our oyster. Yes we’ve all heard his story before, how it’s still being spun and believed is beyond me.
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So why would it be considered improper if we were to suddenly start feeling the same about others who openly admit wanting nothing to do with us anymore?Not really, a sizeable amount of the population wanted to be independent...and that was before Brexit....it could be very different now, it could be even more.
So that would suggest, not enough to prevent wanting to be independent
Seems as though "Others casting England adrift = good and wholesome" but "England casting others adrift = bad and nationalistic".
What exactly is this "union" we have anymore? Seems to only be economic.
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Not to the Brexiteers, they'll quite happily cut you adrift to get their wishes.
You noticed that from some of them, did you?
So the UK can form it's own trade partnership with the US/India/Commonwealth etc without interference from the EU can it?
At the minute no as it’s part of a UNION. The EU forms trading partnerships from a stronger position of power as a joint multi-country trading block. You must understand this?!
I’m guessing you’re aren’t that stupid and you actually do understand what a union is and the rules of its governance.
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Not to the Brexiteers, they'll quite happily cut you adrift to get their wishes.
Remind us again who thinks the border should be down the Irish sea?
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So why would it be considered improper if we were to suddenly start feeling the same about others who openly admit wanting nothing to do with us anymore?
Seems as though "Others casting England adrift = good and wholesome" but "England casting others adrift = bad and nationalistic".
What exactly is this "union" we have anymore? Seems to only be economic.
i dont understand any of this, in relation to what i was asking
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Not to mention the main selling points of the no vote was that they could have troubles getting EU membership (funny that) and that they might lose a currency that's been absolutely trashed since the vote.Not really, a sizeable amount of the population wanted to be independent...and that was before Brexit....it could be very different now, it could be even more.
So that would suggest, not enough to prevent wanting to be independent
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Yep. Just a small sniff of it though.You noticed that from some of them, did you?
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There's already a border down the Irish Sea. It's called the Irish Sea. Passport and customs checks.Remind us again who thinks the border should be down the Irish sea?
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