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From their own website.

You'll believe anything they say. They had no intention to do so, until people starting putting pressure on them. They are tackling it now, they weren't that interested before, is what i'm saying.

https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/05/08/germany-italy-poland-snub-call-net-zero-carbon-eu-2050/

There’s still a very higher chance of getting to net carbon as a continent if all nations are integrated politically, you must surely see that?

Convincing those in the European Parliament will be a lot easier than doing so if we were stand alone States.
 
I disagree but okay. So which countries WERE fighting the good fight then?

You seem to compare the EU against your ideals and not against the actual real world.
I was once a supporter of the EU, you do know that, right?

Things like the financial crisis, Lisbon Treaty and Crimea made me question this "Union" of ours. The suggestions for a European Defence Force only exacerbated it, and the demands for more financial contributions from the UK in 2014 only made things worse. The straw that broke the camels back were the results from the reform negotiations. Up until then I was still supportive and am still supportive of the idea of the EEC, but not a post Maastricht or Lisbon EU.
 
Of course I did.

But I advocated joining the EFTA, not this no deal mess.
Yet no deal is what you're getting, as you empowered demagogues and ideologues to carry out their own narrow minded vision of Brexit after telling all people they'd be all things. Is this the Brexit you voted for?
 
There’s still a very higher chance of getting to net carbon as a continent if all nations are integrated politically, you must surely see that?

Convincing those in the European Parliament will be a lot easier than doing so if we were stand alone States.
Only once people put pressure on them.

Otherwise they couldn't care less. Remember there are two EU's; it's member nations and those in the actual system of "Parliament" who are so disconnected with everyone else.
 
You switching it to trade deals now and away from tax and the way Ireland has become the biggest destination for company profits because it is effectively a tax haven?

Probably for the best but remember its only because you though you was being clever with your Singapore on Thames quip.
Singapore on Thames wasn't my quip mate, your PM said it. Kindly readjust your argument please.
 
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Yet no deal is what you're getting, as you empowered demagogues and ideologues to carry out their own narrow minded vision of Brexit after telling all people they'd be all things. Is this the Brexit you voted for?
You're saying me, directly, now?

What did I empower? And with actual quotes not speculations.
 
You're saying me, directly, now?

What did I empower? And with actual quotes not speculations.
Everyone that voted leave, not just you, has empowered the current Tory cabinet. Are they seeking the same thing that you were when you voted?
 
I was once a supporter of the EU, you do know that, right?

Things like the financial crisis, Lisbon Treaty and Crimea made me question this "Union" of ours. The suggestions for a European Defence Force only exacerbated it, and the demands for more financial contributions from the UK in 2014 only made things worse. The straw that broke the camels back were the results from the reform negotiations. Up until then I was still supportive and am still supportive of the idea of the EEC, but not a post Maastricht or Lisbon EU.

As interesting as that is, that’s not what I asked mate.

You criticised the EU for their climate change action. I pointed you in the direction of their policies. You then said (and I’m paraphrasing) too little too late. I then asked compared to who, which you’ve ignored. So, who is doing a more efficient job and driving action to tackle the climate crisis?
 
The EU is the only one doing anything about it, banning single use plastics, huge funding into renewables, forcing the electric car issue etc etc. They're not doing anywhere near enough, but they're doing a lot more than the states, Russia or China. Disingenuous imo.
Only when they received pressure from internal groups.

The Greenwave will ensure that the EUParl will continue with these practices.
 
As interesting as that is, that’s not what I asked mate.

You criticised the EU for their climate change action. I pointed you in the direction of their policies. You then said (and I’m paraphrasing) too little too late. I then asked compared to who, which you’ve ignored. So, who is doing a more efficient job and driving action to tackle the climate crisis?
New Zealand maybe.
 
As interesting as that is, that’s not what I asked mate.

You criticised the EU for their climate change action. I pointed you in the direction of their policies. You then said (and I’m paraphrasing) too little too late. I then asked compared to who, which you’ve ignored. So, who is doing a more efficient job and driving action to tackle the climate crisis?
Nobody is.

But because the EU are now doing a little more than others, doesn't make them any better. I gave an example and you've run with it. It's not my core reason for leaving. I've given you my core reasons.
 
Only when they received pressure from internal groups.

The Greenwave will ensure that the EUParl will continue with these practices.
That's how it works. Where's the signs of the USA, PRC or RF bowing to sufficient pressure to do the same? They're not good enough, but they're still the global leader.
 
New Zealand maybe.

Maybe. There isn’t many though is there.

Though on the flip side New Zealand is selling off vast amounts of its land to non-national billionaires who are concerned about climate change and thinking of relocating there in the future. Which is against their own laws. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
 
Nobody is.

But because the EU are now doing a little more than others, doesn't make them any better. I gave an example and you've run with it. It's not my core reason for leaving. I've given you my core reasons.

Haha come on mate. If the EU are doing a “little more than others” then yes, by definition that does make them better!
 
Haha come on mate. If the EU are doing a “little more than others” then yes, by definition that does make them better!
WE are part of the EU. WE are one of the ones putting THEM under pressure to make changes.

They weren't taking it seriously before. That's why I say it doesn't make them any better, because given the choice they'd likely not make it their top priority until they decided it became an issue.
 
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Maybe. There isn’t many though is there.

Though on the flip side New Zealand is selling off vast amounts of its land to non-national billionaires who are concerned about climate change and thinking of relocating there in the future. Which is against their own laws. Swings and roundabouts I guess.
Think a lot of those sales might be reversed, huge legal row ongoing. Shame really as I always thought I might retire there and the backlash from JRM's father and his ilk might bar me from doing so.
 
That's how it works. Where's the signs of the USA, PRC or RF bowing to sufficient pressure to do the same? They're not good enough, but they're still the global leader.
Still waiting on you to tell me which demagogues i've been "promoting".
 
Still waiting on you to tell me which demagogues i've been "promoting".
Rees-Mogg, Fox, Farage, Patel, Robinson... Do I need to go on? All with a political ideal that they'll follow no matter the harm to the people of your nation. I won't include Johnson as he's a blatant opportunist.
 
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