Another new Brexit thread

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Vic said:
Pointless post. It's now about stopping the damage, not letting it happen then putting it right.

Cliff, ambulance, fence.
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Why pointless?

Yours certainly was

The poster that I replied to had mentioned that there were actions that could be taken in the event of big decisions going wrong.

I think that he mentioned :

Marriage - Divorce
House purchase - Sell

Surely the obvious situation regarding Leaving is to rejoin?

You are just being silly and negative - what I posted was clearly correct
 
Vic said:
Then leaving itself is undemocratic as Parliament has not actually voted for it. (They voted to give the PM the authority to trigger Article 50 but everything else has been voted down.)
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You seem to be having a bad day today Vic?

Parliament deferred to the public and then - by a large majority - decided to invoke A50

So fully democratic
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So has all this resulted in the referendum result being declared null and void?
I see we're back to hearing the bad loser foot stamps again.
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blueinsa said:
The remain brexit wheel of fortune (excuses) just keeps on spinning.........
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Ancient Citizen said:
I wouldn't mind if the argument had any traction, it hasn't and will never have.
Ah well, comfort blankets and all that...
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Just responding to comments about democracy with indisputable facts. Just because you dismiss these facts as irrelevant doesn't mean that they're not still facts - unless the electoral commission made it up.
As for the comments about losers - one day you'll realise at some point after we leave following this flawed process that we're all losers.
 
west didsblue said:
Just responding to comments about democracy with indisputable facts. Just because you dismiss these facts as irrelevant doesn't mean that they're not still facts - unless the electoral commission made it up.
As for the comments about losers - one day you'll realise at some point after we leave following this flawed process that we're all losers.
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Not dismissing them as facts, just as irrelevant.

Had there even been an inkling of a possibility of overturning the result of the ref due to actual vote rigging or fraud it would have been done.
 
blueinsa said:
Not dismissing them as facts, just as irrelevant.

Had there even been an inkling of a possibility of overturning the result of the ref due to actual vote rigging or fraud it would have been done.
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The vote was advisory so there was nothing for the electoral commission to overturn. It was up to Parliament. But you know this - it's been discussed a thousand times.
 
west didsblue said:
The vote was advisory so there was nothing for the electoral commission to overturn. It was up to Parliament. But you know this - it's been discussed a thousand times.
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Your remain parliament would have seized any legal opportunity to overturn and the usual few that have taken to the courts over it would not have stopped either.

But you know this - its been discussed a thousand times.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
So has all this resulted in the referendum result being declared null and void?
I see we're back to hearing the bad loser foot stamps again.
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Couldn't be as it was only advisory. And the courts weren't satisfied that the overspending made enough difference.

Now the illegal use of personal data....

Anyway, it's just daft to press on with it. And theres no mandate for No Deal. I'm still waiting for an example of anyone in a Leave campaign advocating leaving without a deal.

And I don't mean Raab lying about it.
 
blueinsa said:
Your remain parliament would have seized any legal opportunity to overturn and the usual few that have taken to the courts over it would not have stopped either.

But you know this - its been discussed a thousand times.
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You do realise that the electoral commission findings were published over a year after the vote and Vote leave appealed against them until they dropped their appeal around the end of March this year. This closed off the legal route, and for Parliament to go back on it over a year after the vote was politically difficult. Anyway, my point was related to the discussion about democracy earlier and this is just going off on a well worn tangent so I'm out.
 
mcfc1632 said:
You seem to be having a bad day today Vic?

Parliament deferred to the public and then - by a large majority - decided to invoke A50

So fully democratic
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I can't be bothered. "Undemocratic backstop" is just propaganda and you're trying to give it a semblance of authenticity that the propagandists never intended.
 
mcfc1632 said:
You seem to be having a bad day today Vic?

Parliament deferred to the public and then - by a large majority - decided to invoke A50

So fully democratic
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On that basis it would also be fully democratic for Parliament to revoke A50 if a majority of MPs agreed.
 
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west didsblue said:
On that basis it would also be fully democratic for Parliament to revoke A50 if a majority of MPs agreed.
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Yet something tells me they wont and that something is they tend to think along the same lines as what I and others do here in that they gave us the vote, the right to decide and they promised to honour and deliver on it.

Even ardent remainers think that way by and large and will advocate a second ref but not this.
 
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