Another new Brexit thread

[Ancient Citizen]

I was literally shitting my pants as I cast my vote.

It's annoying isn't it Gord, being told constantly the reasons why you voted, you know, like being
told you're a racist, a little Englander, that you hate Europeans, that you want to completely halt immigration,
that you're stupid, that you don't understand the EU, that you were seduced by lies, and all the other 'Reasons'
we've had to listen to from those who simply don't respect our democratic will.
It's just a good chuckle to see some outrage when the 16.2 million get told why they voted;)

 

[Vic]

Of course I do, we've been hearing for over 3 years now from representatives of that 16.4 million
all the reasons why the 17.4 million voted to leave, incessantly. They obviously know all our reasons, as they keep
giving us them, there are a myriad of examples of their in depth knowledge on here.

And they're all crap. Or not true. Or not going to be solved by leaving. Or made worse by leaving.

I think parliamentary sovereignty is the only thing that will unarguably be enhanced by leaving. Personally, as a Tony Benn fan, I look forward to the brain meltdown when those who quote him as opposed to the EU because of the loss of parliamentary sovereignty find parliament voting to revoke the decision to leave the EU.

 

[Vic]

It's annoying isn't it Gord, being told constantly the reasons why you voted, you know, like being
told you're a racist, a little Englander, that you hate Europeans, that you want to completely halt immigration,
that you're stupid, that you don't understand the EU, that you were seduced by lies, and all the other 'Reasons'
we've had to listen to from those who simply don't respect our democratic will.
It's just a good chuckle to see some outrage when the 16.2 million get told why they voted;)

They are all reasons why various people voted to leave. You only gave one reason why all remainers voted to remain (fear of the consequences of leaving which now seems a very good reason).

 

[Ban-jani]

Please don't - Johnson already thinks he is Churchill..........................................

And leave voters think they’re in dad’s army.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

except the fact @Ban-jani has totally debunked @hgblue points

No, he hasn't.

“Setting up our own trade deals” - trade will be diminished significantly and we trade freely with major markets all around the world through the EU, who act on our behalf and to our benefit in this area. We’re about to see how much we’ve fucked up in this area.

Saying that 'Trade will be diminished significantly' is simply an opinion, it assumes that this country is totally emasculated
without being in the EU, which is, just an opinion.

The argument on future federalism is just a “what if” argument and it doesn’t make sense to absolutely ruin ourselves because of what might happen in the future. I don’t think federalism is a bad thing anyway, globalisation and fluidity between nations is the future and inevitable generally speaking around the world.

This is an acceptance that federalism is the road to nirvana, leavers don't believe that, plus 'Ruin ourselves' is just an opinion, there
is no conclusive evidence to support such an assertion, only opinions either way.

 

[blueinsa]

*pops head in...runs for the door again*

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Yeah, Amber Rudd said much the same. It’s crap obviously, it’s just a coincidence the growth in food poverty and food banks over the last few years has been so marked. Anyway, as soon as we are out of the EU, things will get so much better, we don’t need to worry at all.

It most certainly is crap, as the parameters set by the UN are ridiculous, anyone suggesting that 40% of children
in the UK are living in poverty is talking claptrap, the UN has been debunked on this issue some time ago.
Anyway, back to the glorious EU;)

 

[Ancient Citizen]

They are all reasons why various people voted to leave. You only gave one reason why all remainers voted to remain (fear of the consequences of leaving which now seems a very good reason).

No Vic, they're YOUR reasons we voted to leave.
They're not mine, or anyone I know, and I know quite a few.
But carry on, we're used to it.

 

[mcfc1632]

No, he hasn't.


Saying that 'Trade will be diminished significantly' is simply an opinion, it assumes that this country is totally emasculated
without being in the EU, which is, just an opinion.


This is an acceptance that federalism is the road to nirvana, leavers don't believe that, plus 'Ruin ourselves' is just an opinion, there
is no conclusive evidence to support such an assertion, only opinions either way.

Come on - Remainer opinions = facts don't you know

 

[mcfc1632]

No. It really didn’t. Never mind, I won’t ask again. Have a good holiday.

Just your opinion I am afraid

It seems like you only want answers that fit your predispositions

Also - surprised you - nor any other Remainer - did not answer the Scotland question

 

[Ban-jani]

No, he hasn't.


Saying that 'Trade will be diminished significantly' is simply an opinion, it assumes that this country is totally emasculated
without being in the EU, which is, just an opinion.


This is an acceptance that federalism is the road to nirvana, leavers don't believe that, plus 'Ruin ourselves' is just an opinion, there
is no conclusive evidence to support such an assertion, only opinions either way.

No it isn’t just an opinion. This is a simple fact.

We export £134bn to the EU, we export £171bn to all other countries through the EU’s negotiated agreements, that they do by the way on our behalf and for our benefit.

We’re at the very least going to get rid of the former to begin with and will likely lose a lot of the latter as we won’t have trade agreements in place.

I didn’t say federalism is the way to nirvana, stop misquoting me. I said I don’t believe it to be bad for Europe and the world is becoming ever more globalised and fluid between nations. If you think the latter is just an opinion then you’re simply stuck in a different time, like Mr Rees-Mogg.

You don’t spend billions and billions, suspend laws and stockpile essentials if what’s coming isn’t going to ruin your economy, do you?

I’ve noticed that since the argument for positives around Brexit has died on its arse, posters on here have switched to “its just an opinion”, “I’m entitled to my opinion”. Your opinion means very little I’m afraid when reality hits the UK on the first day of November.

 

[Ban-jani]

“It’s just your opinion” has replaced the memes and gifs.

 

[mcfc1632]

Yep - they are used to convey accurate messages as well

 

[Ancient Citizen]

We export £134bn to the EU, we export £171bn to all over countries through the EU’s negotiated agreements, that they do by the way on our behalf and for our benefit.

We’re at the very least going to get rid of the former to begin with and will likely lose a lot of the latter as we won’t have trade agreements in place.

So, according to you, we export £134 billion to the EU, and that at the very least that is now not happening.
Which means, if we're out on 31 Oct, all our EU exports will cease, nothing will be exported, at all.
Plus, horror of horrors, most of the £171 billion we export to the rest of the world will likely be drastically reduced.
I'll bookmark this page and come back to it around mid November.
Should be a good laugh.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Just your opinion I am afraid

It seems like you only want answers that fit your predispositions

Also - surprised you - nor any other Remainer - did not answer the Scotland question

I did. You clearly haven't read it.
Mate all I asked for was a straight answer to a straight question. I finally came to the conclusion yesterday that I am wasting my time engaging with you. In my opinion, you are unwilling to engage in any proper detailed discussion about why 'No Deal' is the best option for the UK over revocation of A50. Your dismissal of the problems surrounding the GFA finally did it for me.

There are those on here who are willing to write down opinions that are backed by facts or at least some detail that helps others understand where they are coming from. You are not one of them and you expect acceptance of your beliefs and then dismiss or deflect in a patronising (imo) way any that don't accept them. That of course is your choice.
Its my choice to no longer view you as a serious poster on this thread. Enjoy the rest of your holiday.

 

[west didsblue]

Just your opinion I am afraid

It seems like you only want answers that fit your predispositions

Also - surprised you - nor any other Remainer - did not answer the Scotland question

Are you talking about your incoherent comment about Scotland being more likely to leave the UK if we remain?
Absolutely no surprise that it was ignored.

 

[stonerblue]

Who knows. I mean it’s day 7 of the 90 day countdown to Brexit and you have the Canadians politely telling Raab he is talking shite about trade deals. Our customs policy is to hope that the French get there act together and, fingers crossed, it won’t be too bad. Gove has led a delegation to find out where Dover is. Welsh Farmers are doing a remake of ‘Silence of The Lambs’ and cattle are going to get slaughtered by the lorry load. HMRC are alarmed that most small businesses haven’t even registered their basic EORI number even though they would be invalid in a no deal Brexit anyway. And our Govt won’t talk to the EU until they tear up the backstop (requested by us) but won’t offer any alternative ideas in its place which means we won’t get the transition period (also requested by us).

We are a clown car with Noddy and Big Ears at the wheel. No one can take the morons currently in charge seriously except probably Trump and he can't even work out where the latest Trump inspired shooting was.

God knows what dribbling idiocy we will be coming out with on Day 30. Probably a cunning plan that involves towing mainland Britain to a point just off shore the US and requesting political asylum.

Nailed it.

 

[Ban-jani]

So, according to you, we export £134 billion to the EU, and that at the very least that is now not happening.
Which means, if we're out on 31 Oct, all our EU exports will cease, nothing will be exported, at all.
Plus, horror of horrors, most of the £171 billion we export to the rest of the world will likely be drastically reduced.
I'll bookmark this page and come back to it around mid November.
Should be a good laugh.

Yes. November 1st, if we’ve left with no deal, nothing will be going into the EU, have you been asleep when everyone has been talking about the disruption? We will then from there look to strike smaller deals but they will be significantly worse than being in the Single Market. With regards to the rest of the world, again November 1st, we will have no trade agreements with anyone and we’ll be starting to get back up to £171bn levels by scratch.

So tell me, how is it at the very least going to be the same?

 

[mcfc1632]

Are you talking about your incoherent comment about Scotland being more likely to leave the UK if we remain?
Absolutely no surprise that it was ignored.

Ha - so you have not the objective and analytical capability to work it out

My gob is indeed not smacked

And it was more that Scotland could indeed be less likely to leave the UK if we have genuinely Brexited

 

[Ban-jani]

Ha - so you have not the objective and analytical capability to work it out

My gob is indeed not smacked

Considering 5 years ago Scotland voted to stay in the UK, more comfortably than the Brexit vote and now every poll has had a 10% swing in the other direction since Brexit, I cannot fathom how you can type that with a straight face.