Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

Ha! Ha! Fantastic. You're the ideal border control guy. "Can you support yourself?" "yep". "in you come".

I don’t know where to start with this so I’ll just keep it simple and make you aware that it’s mostly not enforced on the border.

I know people get upset with leavers being labelled thick but come on, is this a joke?

 

[BobKowalski]

I’m not dismissing anything. I genuinely do think we’ll see immigration levels drop as a direct result of us leaving. And I think that’s a good thing.
I’ve seen, first hand, how the holders of EU passports have been able to enter this country, without any intention of working and helped themselves to local schools, doctors, housing etc, etc. I’ve seen the staff I work with get them that housing, knowing full well they’re taking the unadulterated piss. They’ve had Italian, Spanish, Austrian passports and have as much to do with those countries as your average Arctic seal. But, they have the golden ticket, the EU passport, ergo, there’s fuck all we can do.
I think leaving will reduce the number of these charlatans.
I don’t think us leaving will in any way help the Greeks. I just don’t want to have anything to do with an organisation that deliberately set them on a course of ultra-austerity and caused untold misery for hundreds of thousands.
We coped very well before joining the EC and I think we’ll cope equally well after we’ve left the EU.

There is. They can be deported if they haven’t found employment. For stays under three months there is no work requirement. Over three months they must have sufficient resources and health insurance in order they not be a burden on the host country. On health typically there is a reciprocal right between the countries concerned. Some EU countries impose a minimum period (usually 5 years) before benefits can be claimed. What you are describing rarely if ever happens.

 

[west didsblue]

"The UK government shapes all domestic policy. The exception is immigration" Thanks Stephen. You nailed it.

Good bit of cherry picking.

You didn’t mention the 75% of immigration that is fully controlled by the UK government.

 

[Ban-jani]

A well known Brexit account, StanleyIsWhite (another topic), posted that the UK didn’t need scientists and experts to win the Second World War, it needed heroes to storm the beaches etc.

This was the response-



Stanley has now deleted his Tweet, surprisingly.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Blame the government. If people are coming in on EU passports and aren’t supporting themselves and paying into the system then it’s the UK government’s fault for not using the powers it has to remove these people. You’ve been told this and yet ignore it.

My wife works in the NHS and daily sees it abused by immigrants, but tbf these are not from the EU. NHS staff such as my other half are NHS staff - not UK Border Force so therefore have an obligation to provide care rather than check ID's and entitlement. I don't think it's anyone's 'fault', not even the immigrants who frankly when faced with high infant mortality and inadequate medical care in their own countries are doing what I'd do in their position - taking their families somewhere better. It very much depends whether you are a glass half full or empty type. On one hand if someone will risk a 9-12 hr plane ride on a tourist visa when they are ill / 36 weeks pregnant just to use our healthcare then our healthcare must be pretty decent. On the other hand, it does of course cost the UK taxpayer and NHS dearly. Rather than sit around getting angry about it, I find it better to take comfort in the fact we still have a health service that is worth the while for these immigrants to take the risk. When none come here for healthcare, that will be the surest sign that our healthcare is broken.

 

[west didsblue]

I’m not dismissing anything. I genuinely do think we’ll see immigration levels drop as a direct result of us leaving. And I think that’s a good thing.
I’ve seen, first hand, how the holders of EU passports have been able to enter this country, without any intention of working and helped themselves to local schools, doctors, housing etc, etc. I’ve seen the staff I work with get them that housing, knowing full well they’re taking the unadulterated piss. They’ve had Italian, Spanish, Austrian passports and have as much to do with those countries as your average Arctic seal. But, they have the golden ticket, the EU passport, ergo, there’s fuck all we can do.
I think leaving will reduce the number of these charlatans.
I don’t think us leaving will in any way help the Greeks. I just don’t want to have anything to do with an organisation that deliberately set them on a course of ultra-austerity and caused untold misery for hundreds of thousands.
We coped very well before joining the EC and I think we’ll cope equally well after we’ve left the EU.

I think the people you are describing are a tiny subset of immigrants from the EU, most of whom come here to work, many for the NHS - far more than than those that come to take the piss. Leaving will undoubtedly reduce the number of EU charlatans but it will also reduce the much larger number of people that come to this country to do the jobs many Brits don’t want to do. It won’t reduce the number of charlatans from outside the EU though.

 

[west didsblue]

My wife works in the NHS and daily sees it abused by immigrants, but tbf these are not from the EU. NHS staff such as my other half are NHS staff - not UK Border Force so therefore have an obligation to provide care rather than check ID's and entitlement. I don't think it's anyone's 'fault', not even the immigrants who frankly when faced with high infant mortality and inadequate medical care in their own countries are doing what I'd do in their position - taking their families somewhere better. It very much depends whether you are a glass half full or empty type. On one hand if someone will risk a 9-12 hr plane ride on a tourist visa when they are ill / 36 weeks pregnant just to use our healthcare then our healthcare must be pretty decent. On the other hand, it does of course cost the UK taxpayer and NHS dearly. Rather than sit around getting angry about it, I find it better to take comfort in the fact we still have a health service that is worth the while for these immigrants to take the risk. When none come here for healthcare, that will be the surest sign that our healthcare is broken.

Good argument for Remain.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Good argument for Remain.

Not an argument either way tbh - immigration has never been part of the brexit issue for me.

 

[west didsblue]

Not an argument either way tbh - immigration has never been part of the brexit issue for me.

What is?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What is?

Federalisation and the inevitable approach to taxation, legislation, defence, intelligence and global security it brings. Not all bad, but some aspects are IMHO. So much so that for me personally they outweigh the benefits. The stealthy tiptoe from the trading block we joined to the state-type entity we find ourselves wedded to today also concerns me, and if I'm honest the difficulty/ impossibility of extracting ourselves does little to dissuade me of this. For me at least money on the side of buses and immigration paranoia is as silly as the remain project fear bollocks we have to endure.

 

[hilts]

Fab. I finally sense we might actually be leaving. Much to the chagrin of those who said it would never happen.

The day after on here will be joyous if it happens.

They maybe a gif or two posted as well.

 

[BobKowalski]

My wife works in the NHS and daily sees it abused by immigrants, but tbf these are not from the EU. NHS staff such as my other half are NHS staff - not UK Border Force so therefore have an obligation to provide care rather than check ID's and entitlement. I don't think it's anyone's 'fault', not even the immigrants who frankly when faced with high infant mortality and inadequate medical care in their own countries are doing what I'd do in their position - taking their families somewhere better. It very much depends whether you are a glass half full or empty type. On one hand if someone will risk a 9-12 hr plane ride on a tourist visa when they are ill / 36 weeks pregnant just to use our healthcare then our healthcare must be pretty decent. On the other hand, it does of course cost the UK taxpayer and NHS dearly. Rather than sit around getting angry about it, I find it better to take comfort in the fact we still have a health service that is worth the while for these immigrants to take the risk. When none come here for healthcare, that will be the surest sign that our healthcare is broken.

The cost of deliberate Health tourism costs the NHS around £200m a year or four Chris Grayling ferry contracts. Biggest ‘culprits’? British expats.

Frankly I have no idea why you guys waste your time stewing over shit like this. It’s like the FoM debate earlier. Invariably you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Vic]

Conundrum. Britain wants to be a leader in the WTO but to do deals with the USA we'd be dealing with an administration that doesn't like the WTO, the body that would mediate if the USA broke the terms of a deal - not of course that the USA has a recent record of tearing up deals and international treaties.

Even Johnson says the priority after we leave will be a deal with the EU.

What exactly is the plan? That after we left we'd get a better deal? Based on what? Pressure from German carmakers and Italian prosecco makers?

Seriously? What are we are doing? Taking control of stupidity.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The cost of deliberate Health tourism costs the NHS around £200m a year or four Chris Grayling ferry contracts. Biggest ‘culprits’? British expats.

Frankly I have no idea why you guys waste your time stewing over shit like this. It’s like the FoM debate earlier. Invariably you have no idea what you are talking about.

Lol. Read my post again - slowly this time. It appears we are pretty much in agreement. Maybe it's not just me who has no idea what they are talking about?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

They do the same with mine, and she's no pisshead either.
Juncker is, It's common knowledge, so any earth shattering statements made by him are subject to ridicule/pisstake.
It's great on here, the outrage whenever the EU is lampooned, but it's perfectly OK to call Brexit advocates racists,
water off a ducks back for me, though, all par for the course.

Perhaps, to some, being called a pisshead is a compliment: being called a racist an egregious insult.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Long read on the radicalisation of Remainers. TLDR. No matter which side ‘wins’ the war will continue

It will Anyone who doesn't realise this is deluded beyond help. This goes both ways btw

 

[johnnytapia]

There is. They can be deported if they haven’t found employment. For stays under three months there is no work requirement. Over three months they must have sufficient resources and health insurance in order they not be a burden on the host country. On health typically there is a reciprocal right between the countries concerned. Some EU countries impose a minimum period (usually 5 years) before benefits can be claimed. What you are describing rarely if ever happens.

You're right. I made it all up. There are no immigration problems with the EU and the UK. I imagined it all (or read about it in the Daily Telegraph/Express/Mail). I have never had to deal with the impact of EU immigrant families falsely claiming residency in this country. It was all a dream.

 

[johnnytapia]

I don’t know where to start with this so I’ll just keep it simple and make you aware that it’s mostly not enforced on the border.

I know people get upset with leavers being labelled thick but come on, is this a joke?

"Thick", "racist" "ignorant" heard it all, many, many times. But, sadly, it seems, the "thick" "racist" and "ignorant" outnumber the "clever" "inclusive" and "informed", ergo, ta ra to the EU. Quel dommage.

 

[johnnytapia]

The day after on here will be joyous if it happens.

They maybe a gif or two posted as well.

I wonder if Bob will be "smoking a big fat cigar" as he previously mentioned (when he was extremely confident we weren't leaving). Not too many signs of Cuban's finest export in them there Kowalski posts these days. I wonder why...

 

[joe123]

It will Anyone who doesn't realise this is deluded beyond help. This goes both ways btw

Completely. Although I would imagine that once we rejoin, which we will, the EU would make it even harder to leave.