Spurs (H) Post Match Thread

It's a not a knee-jerk comment, I really don't feel like watching the Bournemouth game now. It feels daft to watch it, when you can check the result after, then Wath the highlights.

If that had gone the other way, I'd feel sorry for Spurs fans and sti dame the same thing.... Football has turned to shit! The pure ecstacy of a late winner going in has now been quelled.
 
Mcfc_nathan_ said:
I genuinely have no desire to go Bournemouth next week now. I was at West Ham last week where the Sterling offside ruined the celebrations for the next goals even when VAR benefited us. Today I didn’t celebrate until after a few seconds.
I know it sounds daft but there’s more to football than seeing correct decisions. If I just wanted to see correct decisions then I’d stay and watch it at home. VAR just leaves me numb. Pre var if you got a decision it was a joy and if it went against you you’d have a moan and wait for MOTD to see if it was right or not. Everytime there’s a goal I don’t want to just stand soullessly until a man 100s miles away decides the outcome.
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That’s it summed up. I go to the game as an escape from technology. It’s shite. Absolutely shite.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Isn't the purpose of VAR to correct the decisions when the ref makes the wrong call?
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No

1. It checks all goals (regardless of situation)
2. Offsides -
3. Clear and obvious mistakes - and this is where fans are going to clash with other fans and VAR as we all have a different view on what is a foul or not - in this case the ref (Nor the VAR officials) belive it was a foul - 56000 fans thought it was (including me) but its not about what we think...
 
Mcfc_nathan_ said:
I genuinely have no desire to go Bournemouth next week now. I was at West Ham last week where the Sterling offside ruined the celebrations for the next goals even when VAR benefited us. Today I didn’t celebrate until after a few seconds.
I know it sounds daft but there’s more to football than seeing correct decisions. If I just wanted to see correct decisions then I’d stay and watch it at home. VAR just leaves me numb. Pre var if you got a decision it was a joy and if it went against you you’d have a moan and wait for MOTD to see if it was right or not. Everytime there’s a goal I don’t want to just stand soullessly until a man 100s miles away decides the outcome.
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Can I take your Bournemouth ticket then pal? Lol
 
People can moan about VAR all they want but at the end of the day the dropped points are on us and nobody else. We were superb in every aspect of our game except for the finishing. Dominated them for the entire 90 minutes, created plenty of good chances too not just possession for the sake of it but didn’t take them. If you don’t take your chances, you run the risk of getting punished and that’s what happened today and will continue to happen until we improve in that regard. Harsh lesson learned. Ignoring the result, one thing to take away from that is spurs are our 2nd closest rivals and by some distance too yet they’re probably closer to the relegation sides in quality than us.

A draw against one of our closest rivals isn’t a complete disaster with it being so early on. The wins against the rivals are generally what gets you titles but 2nd game of the season, not losing is acceptable. We’ve got nobody else in the top 6 now until Liverpool and then a brutal 2 months to follow so there’s no leeway, start taking our chances and maximum points until then. I expect us to put in a few cricket scores in the next few weeks.
 
Moving away from the VAR debate and back to our play, I thought we played extremely well, but there are certainly areas that require work and improvement.

In the second-half, I thought we lost a bit of shape and purpose with the substitutions and it took too long for the players to gel again. That is something that can be and needs to be worked on in training.

I think Zinchenko needs to work on exploiting the space before him when he is 1 v 1 with the opposition fullback. There were a couple of occasions, before he pulled up, when he had his man exposed but chose the safer option (backwards or inside). He needs to be more confident about taking the man down the line or into the box even if it is simply to tire the opponent.

Similarly, Sterling/Jesus and especially Mahrez need to be more direct when they have been left exposed with one man to beat. VAR is going to play a part in goals, and I’d like to see us going at players in the box and making them challenge. Will we get all decisions? No. But by doing so we increase the likelihood of a penalty being given.
 
Mcfc_nathan_ said:
I genuinely have no desire to go Bournemouth next week now. I was at West Ham last week where the Sterling offside ruined the celebrations for the next goals even when VAR benefited us. Today I didn’t celebrate until after a few seconds.
I know it sounds daft but there’s more to football than seeing correct decisions. If I just wanted to see correct decisions then I’d stay and watch it at home. VAR just leaves me numb. Pre var if you got a decision it was a joy and if it went against you you’d have a moan and wait for MOTD to see if it was right or not. Everytime there’s a goal I don’t want to just stand soullessly until a man 100s miles away decides the outcome.
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100% this.
 
blueballs84 said:
What? I've never heard that. It was supposed to correct clear and obvious errors made by the referee. If a clear and obvious error is made then by definition the referee has seen it. That's the language that's been used by all the media so that's obviously how they were briefed on it.

Sounds like the whole FFP situation again, move the goalposts tto deliberately screw us over at the behest of the cartel clubs.
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Just heard it on sly, I'm hearing more about this if the ref has seen it thing and less about the clear and obvious. Yeah probably are just making it up as we go along.
 
1. We absolutely battered Spurs and once we are all match fit no team will live with us
2. The game is bent
3. By the letter of the law the goal had to be disallowed however why was the tug on Laporte’s arm not spotted?
4. Why no pen in the first half. When every neutral is saying it’s a penalty you know it must be
5. The game is still bent
6. I still can’t forgive Oliver for not giving us four penalties in a recent derby so is it any wonder he didn’t give one today
7. Books Sterling then not Sissoko a few minutes later, why?
8. Spurs were made to look bang average by a side not yet up and running
9. The game is bent and VAR doesn’t make it better
10. We will win next week
 
give it to gordon said:
So spurs thought we had scored the winner the ref and lineo thought we had scored the winner City thought we had scored the winner , us fans thought we had won it. A bloke in his shed decided everyone was wrong and ruled it our but screwed us over a pen in the first half. And we are to believe football is bent....
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unfortunately the guy in the shed was right on the non goal (by the letter of the law) - it came off Laportes arm (he didnt mean it) but the new rule change has said regardlesss of accidental or not, if the incident leads to a goal then it is handball
 
simon23 said:
I didnt see whether the the ref was looking at the incident so ill have to defer to a much cleaver cock in you on that one.

I did watch the game...

I thought it was a stonewall penalty the first time of seeing it....I blame the ref for making the wrong call - not VAR
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But post match analysis for the past 20+ years has dined on missed grappling, holding and shoving in the box. It’s very difficult for the ref to see every little incident in the box when a corner or cross is going in (even though on this occasion it was occurring where the ball was.

It is what VAR is supposed to deal with, to eradicate foul play, I don’t see how you can blame the ref solely, he should have been ASSISTED by Graham Scott, the worst ref in the PL rota....

Please don’t defend them, the exact same scenario with the Dippers and Man U will result in a penalty...
 
Ok to all the VARites and people saying it’s not corrupt !

Question

If that’s Salah or Rashford getting pulled back in our area ,,,, is it a penalty or not ???!

Abso - fucking - lutely
 
danielwood5 said:
How can you keep saying the ref was in the wrong but not the VAR team? It's pretty obvious Oliver got it wrong but if we give him the benefit of the doubt (which he doesn't deserve) h only saw it once in real time, the VAR team saw it from multiple angles and still decided it wasn't a penalty so they're even more wrong than Oliver! That was the perfect example of a 'clear and obvious' error so if VAR isn't being used to correct shit decisions like that then what is it for? It seems to me that at the moment it's being used to rule out goals for ridiculous technicalities and millimetres but not to stamp out actual cheating, holding in the box, diving, etc. The decision to rule the goal out was probably correct to the letter of the law but only because the law has been changed to suit VAR, all elements of common sense and the joy of goals being scored have been removed from the game but the cheating is still fine it seems. That's what the problem with VAR is at the moment, you can tie yourself in knots trying to justify it but it's a fundamentally flawed and broken system the way it's being used and it will kill games of football for the majority of the teams in the competition.
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This could all be cleared up in 10 seconds if they made the refs answer for their decisions

We don’t know what Oliver saw or the conversation he had, we should hear the conversation then the refs don’t get away with it.
 
Why is it always Spurs and Liverpool that benefit the most from stuff like this?

I'm sick of seeing their smug smiles at the end of a game, it was written all over their faces. They fully knew they'd got away with one there.

It feels better getting points when you don't deserve them sometimes. Snatching a win from the jaws defeat against the run of play for example. We don't get many of those results these days being so consistently good.
 
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