I liked and admired your self-depreciation approach - how many Remainers have you seen do that rather than attack?The material points have been made by 40 years of membership I'm afraid.
Would be good - but there is no grouping on the Leave side that hound RemainersCan we pack in the whole "pack" thing.
It's tedious.
Yes there are,or have been posters,on both sides,either being disrespectful,trolling,or shit stirring.
One for you and Benjani mate, sums up your perspective well..
That's the best and most balanced post I've ever seen on these fhreads.There’s one “silly pen” and that’s the no deal pen. It’s also the one that many on the leave side are wanting to push for now. The “Norway” Brexit that the likes of Farage originally pushed for was doable, Common Market 2.0 or a Customs Union arrangement was doable and what the leave campaign described Brexit as in 2016.
Now the above isn’t good enough and they’re about to ruin the country over a sick fetish about the UK struggling on. The new tactic by those adamant on no deal is to now blame remain voters and EU. They have no choice but to do this because the general population: those that voted to remain, those that didn’t vote in 2016 and those that voted for a soft Brexit are going to be blaming them when they lose their jobs or food prices sky rocket or they can’t get access to medicine or their business goes under or their house price dies a death.
The fact is that two sides voted, the one side that gained the most votes has seen their wish turn out to be utter shit and a small proportion of that side have double downed and blamed everyone but themselves and the liars they followed.
It’s become cult-like now.
You’re the most deluded man in the history of the Internet.
You don’t show respect and I’m sorry but the thing you want is detrimental to the country on a scale not seen outside of war time.
I’m going to tell you that.
That will happen - it was important for us to take the chance to put some distance between us and the 'vortex' that will be createdOur time will come, looks like it's not now thanks to those who think their wishes are more important than those of the electorate. We will probably have to wait until the EU succumbs to its internal contradictions and collapses or, less likely, becomes an entirely different and more democratic creature.
Great post. I'm not sure leavers think their opinion is more important than the electorate tbh, but why should they just lie down? Part of a healthy democracy is challenging opposing views.Our time will come, looks like it's not now thanks to those who think their wishes are more important than those of the electorate. We will probably have to wait until the EU succumbs to its internal contradictions and collapses or, less likely, becomes an entirely different and more democratic creature.
Tbh mate I try not to tar all Remainers with the same brush. There will always be a couple of loons just as there are on our side of the debate. It's when you think you're the only sane one in the loony bin that you have a problem ;-)I liked and admired your self-depreciation approach - how many Remainers have you seen do that rather than attack?
I would have expected the more balanced Remainers to view your post in the same way - rather than condone / support the 'troop' members
I had a wank poster in my room as a teenager - Sam Fox in a lacey bikini iirc.From an utterly wank poster
Even if it were a few months old it’s unlikely that many of the risks will have significantly diminished by Halloween. In particular, the model for Northern Ireland will still be unsustainable. The refineries will still probably close. I’m not aware of any steps being taken to prevent EU trawlers illegally fishing in Uk waters etcYellowhammer is not old.
It was commissioned by Gove, after Pfeffel became PM.
Well excuse me for thinking that the way to make a rational case for Remaining was by concentrating on minds rather than hearts.That Ban is an issue, nobody has made the comprehensive case for remain. The argument that status quo is better than change is a difficult argument to make. People will prefer change especially if the argument resonates with their perceptions.
I actually think leave has made the better argument, I am not saying its the right argument but it is coherent, remain has made no such case, it is just more of the same. This boils down to leadership, who even leads the remain argument? Everybody knows who rightly or wrongly has made the leave argument. Of course the remain argument has been supressed by the power of the mainly leave print media and the leave leaders have almost open access to certain parts of the media.
Remain should be convincing the likes of myself of the righteousness of their cause, but they have failed and failed miserably. They have allowed the argument to drift into the realms of patriotism and nationalism without making the case for internationalism. That is a major failing of remain. They have concentrated on minds rather than hearts.
I rest my case.The material points have been made by 40 years of membership I'm afraid.
That Ban is an issue, nobody has made the comprehensive case for remain. The argument that status quo is better than change is a difficult argument to make. People will prefer change especially if the argument resonates with their perceptions.
I actually think leave has made the better argument, I am not saying its the right argument but it is coherent, remain has made no such case, it is just more of the same. This boils down to leadership, who even leads the remain argument? Everybody knows who rightly or wrongly has made the leave argument. Of course the remain argument has been supressed by the power of the mainly leave print media and the leave leaders have almost open access to certain parts of the media.
Remain should be convincing the likes of myself of the righteousness of their cause, but they have failed and failed miserably. They have allowed the argument to drift into the realms of patriotism and nationalism without making the case for internationalism. That is a major failing of remain. They have concentrated on minds rather than hearts.
One for you and Benjani mate, sums up your perspective well..
What now are the wishes of the electorate?Our time will come, looks like it's not now thanks to those who think their wishes are more important than those of the electorate. We will probably have to wait until the EU succumbs to its internal contradictions and collapses or, less likely, becomes an entirely different and more democratic creature.
Oh - such a devastating insult...
In reality you are only telling me that you are right and I must accept that and that you have no tolerance for me holding my view - there is an appropriate noun for people that act in that manner
In your humble opinion.But adds 0% to the debate (as usual).
There's a few like that on here.Must be fun posting when you're not going to be impacted.