I have to admit, it's horrifying what not having left yet seems to have done to the economy. Just shows - sooner we leave the better. Can't really argue otherwise with those figures. It looks like it's been bad for the EU growth too compared to the US.Brexit looking good.
Sorry mate, not having that. The one you are thinking of had a cheese sauce and I don't like melted cheese. Deffo a curry one, but in all honesty not seen them since 1990 ish.
Well you could interpret it like that, but I would say the US growth is excessively debt fuelled and they will have to pay for it sooner or later.
Not everybody can be as humble as you.
Yeah - I am going to get a badge made up
I think you know I was just pulling your leg, but my serious point is that it all too easy to draw a straight line from opposing view points to the same statistics and both claim to be proven. My serious answer is that some of this is just cyclical and any damage caused will have been by dithering / uncertainty rather than Brexit itself which obviously hasn't happened yet. I feel that remain and leave politicians are equally to blame for the dithering and uncertainty.
Cheers pal -can you still get them?
If we don't leave now there will not be another crack further down the line
Apologies, I honestly thought you were serious. It's not unusual for some people to draw odd conclusions from what appears to be clear data. I think that you are absolutely right that the dithering / uncertainty is the main thing causing the negative figures, however the remedy, according to nearly every business commentator is not to crash out of the EU with No Deal. It is almost universally accepted, even amongst many leavers, that this would cause significant harm to the economy. The difference is that many leavers think it is a price worth paying for some intangible benefits that no-one has ever managed to clearly articulate in a non-abstract way.
Totally agree. But tbh I think the hard line Remainers are as at fault as the hard brexiteers in this respect. Much as the Erg are gambling on turning down Mays deal to try and force a hard brexit, the remain MP's have also tried to create similar brinkmanship to force remain through. A dangerous gamble for both sides in my view which will probably end up with brexit being implemented or revoked by some ancient legal technicality rather than anything sensible.
Indeed - certainty is needed
I'm not sure what a hard line remainer is tbh. Remain is maintaining the status quo. Most Remainers, including myself, accepted the vote in 2016 and awaited a withdrawal agreement that did the least damage to the economy. The one that was presented achieved what many thought was impossible - it was unacceptable to pretty much everyone right across the political spectrum. After that the logical outcome should have been a second referendum to determine whether we leave with no deal or whether we maintain the status quo. There was certainly no mandate for crashing the country out of the EU without a withdrawal agreement, which would consequentially breach a number of international agreements such as the GFA. If anyone can find a statement made by a leading Brexiter in the run up to the referendum that this was a possible outcome I'd like to see it. In fact they all said the complete opposite.
Ah, like brexit, the age gap is telling.
Bummer. Them fuckers in Brussels have a lot to answer for.