Another new Brexit thread

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So the EU won’t budge and have pretty much said Johnson’s letter is embarrassing.

US Congress has confirmed that if we do absolutely anything at all to compromise the GFA, they will block a free trade agreement.

Johnson is in a corner currently and his options are becoming more and more limited.
Yeah. A no deal exit from the EU.

This stubborn pride from both sides is becoming embarrassing. Do the EU want a trade deal or not? If we're saying "the recently deposed May and her WA deal is not accepted by Parliament or the new British Government leader" why are there not new discussions?
 
Of course you would and instantly id not give a flying fuck about what you say or your opinion because calling someone stupid is no basis for an adult debate.

As usual you ignore my opinion which you ignore and say 'not give a flying fuck'. As someone said of you earlier 'there are none so blind as those who will not see'. You fit squarely in that bracket. Just about sums you up.
 
A bit like the argument

We must leave with a deal and a no deal brexit must be avoided at all costs

We won’t however support the existing withdrawal agreement

There is no point renegotiating the existing withdrawal agreement as the eu will not renegotiate it

Riddle me that one.
I don’t think we should be leaving the free trade area. Leaving the political institutions seems like what most people voted for and doing that whilst staying in the customs union doesn’t seem like a terrible option.
 
I don’t think we should be leaving the free trade area. Leaving the political institutions seems like what most people voted for and doing that whilst staying in the customs union doesn’t seem like a terrible option.
You can't do independent trade deals whilst in the customs union. That's also what most people voted for.
 
James Cleverly was on Breakfast TV this morning saying that keeping the backstop is more likely to cause a return to the troubles. This seems to be a general tactic of this government to bend facts round to become the opposite of what they really are. Can't decide whether it's Orwellian, Trumpian or both.
Verminous?
 
Do you know the Irish troubles took place before the vote as well bob. There have also been isolated incidents since as well unfortunately ?

Or is that not relevant as well.

Yes it’s relevant. And it should serve as a warning not to meddle with the status quo against the wishes of the majority and risk making the situation worse or creating an environment that make such incidents more likely.

We saw with the Brexit referendum campaign how that created an environment in which an MP was murdered and still no one saw the shitstorm this would usher in. We can’t even govern ourselves for Christ’s sake.
 
Yeah. A no deal exit from the EU.

This stubborn pride from both sides is becoming embarrassing. Do the EU want a trade deal or not? If we're saying "the recently deposed May and her WA deal is not accepted by Parliament or the new British Government leader" why are there not new discussions?

Because the backstop is the only guarantee to uphold the GFA indefinitely and the EU see it, as May did, as fundamental to the peace process.

It’s not stubborn pride, they’ve given us 2 years to negotiate this and have said as soon as there’s an alternative the backstop goes, Johnson hasn’t provided one.
 
You can't do independent trade deals whilst in the customs union. That's also what most people voted for.

Mate we can’t do any deal with the EU , those are the rules made up by the EU

It’s all pie in the sky until the withdrawal agreement is signed .

I don’t understand remainers refusal to see how this isn’t cake and eat it by the eu . All of this should have been wrapped up in one agreement dealing with exit and future trade .
 
Sticking your head in the ground doesn't make you any more correct. I still say the signs are there if you wish to see them.

Im not sticking it anywhere im telling you that you are a rude **** who i have no wish to debate with on here.

Take the hint fella.
 
Mate we can’t do any deal with the EU , those are the rules made up by the EU

It’s all pie in the sky until the withdrawal agreement is signed .

I don’t understand remainers refusal to see how this isn’t cake and eat it by the eu . All of this should have been wrapped up in one agreement dealing with exit and future trade .

Its also why they dont understand why we think May did such a good job for them.

Utterly useless as a negotiator from day one.
 
You can't do independent trade deals whilst in the customs union. That's also what most people voted for.

Did they bollocks. Most people couldn’t tell you what a Customs Union is. Most MPs didn’t even fucking know. Trade guys were holding quick seminars for them on ‘What is a Customs Union’.
 
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