The Labour Party

[Metal Biker]

Yeah....but Corbyn isnt a leader.

Yeah a bit like City fans cheering when Aguero scores. Totally irregular.

 

[robbieh]

I believe him when he says he wants to create a better world especially for those left behind.
When a Tory talks about a better world, it means a better world for themselves.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

About 6 people on this site will get that joke and only 1 of them will find it funny, but that 1 person will think it's incredibly witty. In retrospect I'm happy with those numbers.

A quick Google and most will agree, it isn't very funny.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Brexit hasn't "failed", brexit hasn't even begun.

Parliament and Parliamentarians have failed to deliver it due to their inabilty to reach a compromise. The compromise between remainers and leavers is the only way out that respects the electorate.

Party Politics from start to finish. On both sides. Labour and the Tories.
Take the DUP out of the equation and you may well have had your compromise.

 

[Metal Biker]

Party Politics from start to finish. On both sides. Labour and the Tories.
Take the DUP out of the equation and you may well have had your compromise.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[hilts]

I believe him when he says he wants to create a better world especially for Dead heads, public sector workers and anyone in the pay of the union. When a Tory talks about a better world, it means a better world for themselves and anyone who supports them.

I agree.

* edited

 

[robbieh]

I agree.

Isn't it customary to write edited or something?

 

[hilts]

Isn't it customary to write edited or something?

I honestly don’t know, my apologies I will amend.

 

[aguero93:20]

I'd argue that as leaving the EU was the biggest legislative and societal change since World War Two, then we should have followed the example of WW2 and made a cross Party coalition Government with ministries setup for specific Brexit related issues.

But to be fair that required some sort of common sense and lack of partisanship so I can see why our politicians failed.

Can't agree with this more.

 

[aguero93:20]

About 6 people on this site will get that joke and only 1 of them will find it funny, but that 1 person will think it's incredibly witty. In retrospect I'm happy with those numbers.

I got the joke but only found it mildly witty, where does that leave me?

 

[mcfc1632]

Not sure about that. If he does get his way and enough tories do back him then they will all make it very clear it is an option of last resort and limited scope. It would be a small victory for Corbyn in forcing tories to vote form him over their own leader in order to stop brexit. A move that will have endangered the process and will not sit well with hard core remainers who already dislike and distrust Corbyn. A wreckless and pointless move.

On the other hand if it comes to a vote and 5 tories back Corbyn and 6 Labour MPs don't Corbyn will share the burden of no deal. The simple reality is that there is clearly more support out there for a neutral leader, All other parties are on board with that, only Corbyn stands in the way.

I mentioned some weeks ago that Corbyn could be responsible for a No-Deal outcome - it was an opinion that was derided at the time

 

[Chippy_boy]

I believe him when he says he wants to create a better world especially for those left behind.
When a Tory talks about a better world, it means a better world for themselves.

Yawn.

Same tired old groundless tripe.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Genuine question - how does Corbyn square raising Corp Tax(squeezing small/medium businesses) and raising the minimum wage(squeezing small/medium businesses)?

I’m all for a fair days wage for a fair days work but but surely he can’t raise both without significant negative impact?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Genuine question - how does Corbyn square raising Corp Tax(squeezing small/medium businesses) and raising the minimum wage(squeezing small/medium businesses)?

I’m all for a fair days wage for a fair days work but but surely he can’t raise both without significant negative impact?

Well put.

It's typical Labour; pay people more, tax people more and bugger the consequences. It's really staggering how abysmal rags like the Guardian fall for it time and time again. With their endlessly tiresome and groundless rhetoric about "evil tories", whilst completely overlooking the fact that what might seem superficially like favourable policies from Labour would actually be very damaging.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Well put.

It's typical Labour; pay people more, tax people more and bugger the consequences. It's really staggering how abysmal rags like the Guardian fall for it time and time again. With their endlessly tiresome and groundless rhetoric about "evil tories", whilst completely overlooking the fact that what might seem superficially like favourable policies from Labour would actually be very damaging.

I suppose it’s the language. When someone says ‘raise corporation tax’ the general public immediately think of Amazon, Starbucks and the like, they don’t think of the florist down the road, the self employed etc.

It’s very typical of Corbyn, his language and campaign rallies are very similar to Trump

 

[Chippy_boy]

I suppose it’s the language. When someone says ‘raise corporation tax’ the general public immediately think of Amazon, Starbucks and the like, they don’t think of the florist down the road, the self employed etc.

It’s very typical of Corbyn, his language and campaign rallies are very similar to Trump

I find it hard to determine whether he's a well intentioned fool, or just a man who will say and do anything to try to win votes. I am inclined to think the latter.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I find it hard to determine whether he's a well intentioned fool, or a devious sod who will say anything to try to win votes. I am inclined to think the latter.

He doesn’t come across as bright enough to be devious, the people behind him maybe though

Also, what was he doing reading out ‘thank-you’ cards before his speech yesterday?

Either way, he’s had it. He’s tried to be all things to all people for too long and the general public have seen through it. People want to be lead, he needed to pick a position and sell it - the country needs leadership not a committee which latest decision depends squarely on the last or next people they are speaking to

 

[aguero93:20]

Genuine question - how does Corbyn square raising Corp Tax(squeezing small/medium businesses) and raising the minimum wage(squeezing small/medium businesses)?

I’m all for a fair days wage for a fair days work but but surely he can’t raise both without significant negative impact?

You could bring in progressive CT and use it to subsidise minimum wage workers through tax breaks to SMEs, not sure that can be successfully pulled off in a Brexit scenario though.

 

[Chippy_boy]

He doesn’t come across as bright enough to be devious, the people behind him maybe though

Also, what was he doing reading out ‘thank-you’ cards before his speech yesterday?

Either way, he’s had it. He’s tried to be all things to all people for too long and the general public have seen through it. People want to be lead, he needed to pick a position and sell it - the country needs leadership not a committee which latest decision depends squarely on the last or next people they are speaking to

I think that's a fair summary.

 

[inchy14]

You could bring in progressive CT and use it to subsidise minimum wage workers through tax breaks to SMEs, not sure that can be successfully pulled off in a Brexit scenario though.

And all raising the minimum wage does is cause an increase in prices, shops, cafes, pubs and other small businesses have to make up for the increase in staff wages somehow, yes it's great saying everyone is earning more but no one is actually any better off as a result.