If you offered me that, I’d snap your hand off.
The trouble is the ERG and others won’t accept that. Immigration is too large an issue for too many and the Tories don’t want to disappoint their MP’s or right wing voters.
It’s not emotive, it’s the truth. Brexit is a terrible idea, even the above is worse than what we currently have.
??? you would have thought that it would have been more appropriate for the Remain side to bring this out - no?Yep, and funnily enough the leave campaign decided that such a fundamental issue was not worthy of mention. Not when they were busy having fun talking about fantasties and lies anyway.
I can see it now, Tories renegotiate a new deal, one that guarentees the protection of jobs, worker's rights, human rights, freedom of movement, freedom of labour, GFA, trade, economy.It doesn’t matter what the erg think. If you get that and propose it and labour back it ( you know because they have said that they would do everything in their power to stop a no deal brexit), that’s it it’s done and passed.
All true. Johnson is too shit scared of the BXP and the ERG to do it though.It doesn’t matter what the erg think. If you get that and propose it and labour back it ( you know because they have said that they would do everything in their power to stop a no deal brexit), that’s it it’s done and passed.
So you feel that the CIRA should be allowed to dictate the key policies of the UK?They will seek to exploit uncertainty of which economic uncertainty is a part. Given the reaction to the bombing at the border in the Irish press I don’t think they are in the least bit ‘tickled’. Not sure the police officers who escaped death are feeling ‘tickled’ either.
At some point, leave or remain as im frankly past caring...……...
Our Parliament rejected it. The person who created it is no longer in a position to negotiate.We will be and it will be because we’ve not signed the Withdrawal Agreement, the EU have signed it.
Ball back in Johnson’s court.
So you feel that the CIRA should be allowed to dictate the key policies of the UK?
The Remain side should put that on the side of a bus
Nope, Labour would accept it and Johnson would be immediately toppled and there would be an election straight away. In other words, it's not happening.I can see it now, Tories renegotiate a new deal, one that guarentees the protection of jobs, worker's rights, human rights, freedom of movement, freedom of labour, GFA, trade, economy.
Labour: rejects deal because the Tories came up with it and would make them 'look good'.
If it's the CIRA they'd put it under one.So you feel that the CIRA should be allowed to dictate the key policies of the UK?
The Remain side should put that on the side of a bus
Fair enough.And i'd rather 'American', given the choice.
*waits*
Smuggling time again.
Organised crime in both the north and south must be laughing their tits off at suggestions that smuggling will become rife in the event of a no deal brexit and are probably sat thinking they cant wait to start their own smuggling operations as its never been done before.
No hard border from us Bob so what will Dublin do when Brussels tells them it has to happen?
Its their SM and CU after all.
Sharing contingency planning requires the ability for people to comprehend context - and not wilfully misuse informationTory Chairman James “not so” Cleverly has said the Tories aren’t releasing the full no deal Brexit warnings, of which some were leaked because “people wouldn’t understand the nature of it”.
Surely if there’s nothing to worry about they’d quash people’s anxiety?
Rubbish. I don’t recall the leaflet from the government, which was advocating remain, raising the issue of the problem of the GFA.
I don’t recall any detailed debates about Northern Ireland or warning from remainer side at the time of the referendum. I understand the issue was given airings in Ireland but not on the mainland
. I have also been on this thread long enough to know that this issue wasn’t debated on the original brexit thread either, prior to the vote. Those who were on that original thread will hopefully recall it was never really debated in any detail ( if at all)
The truth of the matter is the issue of brexit and it’s impact for remaining is actually a very good reason for remaining and like so many things on the remain side it was never raised at all as
They were too arrogant and thought people would vote remain, so they didn’t need to try; and
It’s easier and more fun to call people thick and racist.
Like soft brexit , the issue of Northern Ireland is a post result hook that the remain side have jumped onto now like they always knew it was going to be a problem. Well, you should have advocated your point at the time of the referendum not after, if you were all so clever as to realise the issue.
Btw Am still awaiting Gibraltar, but you are probably saving that chip once Ireland is resolved.
See my post above . He also used the service sector - not wise
For the record I could not give a fuck about free movement . Anything that allows pep , Laporte , Silva Bernardo to move back and forth and for their families to visit when they want uninhibited is fine by me. I will need it.
As soon as my son leaves school for uni. I am out of this shithole.
American culture is a global culture with influences from people and communties of every continent.Fair enough.
Prefare european culture myself.
DUP?Almost as if he's trying to create a reason to never leave? I doubt anyone would be so self serving and shallow as to risk the peace in Ireland for their own political ends, surely not?
As would I, but May didn't want it.
Who cares about the ERG, the Tories, May, Parliament. This is about what the infrastructure of the people and businesses of the UK wants, and we want a deal, but our "Parliamentarians" are not listening to us or what we want, because they're too busy playing party politics or obsessing over "powah".
Brexit is not a terrible idea, because you just said "If you offered me that, i'd snap your hand off" That IS a 'brexit', one of many solutions that have been overlooked by May. There was my EFTA preferred option, the ideal "soft brexit" that solved all these raised issues; ignored.
A no deal brexit is a terrible idea, granted, but as has been pointed out, few are or were ever in favour of it and May's WA was supported only by herself and her lackies. Brexit is not worse than we currently have; having an FTA in Europe but being free to create more FTA's with other nations on other continents is "bad"? Remember that the EU only entered into trade deals that IT chose. Surely TTIP should be an example of what happens when you solely allow the EU to "negotiate" on our behalf.
So you feel that the CIRA should be allowed to dictate the key policies of the UK?And at some point you have to realise that by voting for Brexit we have created space for them to exploit. This isn’t about ‘scaring people’. It’s about pointing out the inevitablity of where actions can lead. The status quo worked because enough people on both sides got enough out of it to be content with it. By threatening to change that status quo you change that delicate balance and you create space for the fringe to grow.
And I don't like that.American culture is a global culture with influences from people and communties of every continent.
European is strictly 2000 years of self-centered European traditions.
You looking in a mirror?There are none so blind as those that will not see I guess.