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blueinsa said:
Bob you are going to be so disappointed when these alternatives suddenly get used in the event of a no deal which won’t happen as for every scare story thrown our way you can triple it for Ireland.

Yes I know.......27 all as one.

Except most of them don’t have a proverbial pot to piss in, never mind rush to the financial rescue of Ireland again.
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There are no alternatives. You can have short term fudge and emergency measures but keeping an external border free of physical infrastructure and associated checks, for the long-run, requires a significant degree of regulatory and customs integration between the countries on either side. That’s just how it is.

And if there was an alternative arrangement solution that was viable and worked I kind of think someone in the U.K. would have pointed it out by now don’t you? Just think of the splash Johnson could make by unveiling such a solution. The positive headlines as he thwarts the EU etc etc. The Telegraph and Mail would positively combust with orgasmic joy.
 
BobKowalski said:
There are no alternatives. You can have short term fudge and emergency measures but keeping an external border free of physical infrastructure and associated checks, for the long-run, requires a significant degree of regulatory and customs integration between the countries on either side. That’s just how it is.

And if there was an alternative arrangement solution that was viable and worked I kind of think someone in the U.K. would have pointed it out by now don’t you? Just think of the splash Johnson could make by unveiling such a solution. The positive headlines as he thwarts the EU etc etc. The Telegraph and Mail would positively combust with orgasmic joy.
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It’s political theatre time Bob, grand standing all around.

Willing to put a few bob in a deal being done right at the death.
 
George Hannah said:
Boris really wants a new deal - the EU uglies won't oblige.
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If Johnson wants a new deal then he should propose a new deal. And by new deal the EU want a plan that works not some fluff about unspecified arrangements that he doodled on the back of a fag packet.
 
BobKowalski said:
If Johnson wants a new deal then he should propose a new deal. And by new deal the EU want a plan that works not some fluff about unspecified arrangements that he doodled on the back of a fag packet.
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It’s that exact same fluff Dublin and Brussels have been discussing for quite a while I’m afraid although the EU budget stretches to an A4 pad I believe.
 
BobKowalski said:
If Johnson wants a new deal then he should propose a new deal. And by new deal the EU want a plan that works not some fluff about unspecified arrangements that he doodled on the back of a fag packet.
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Exactly. Wouldn’t surprise me now if we have rolling time limits on the backstop til we can actually come up with something that solves it, and Johnson still presenting it as master diplomacy
 
blueinsa said:
It’s political theatre time Bob, grand standing all around.

Willing to put a few bob in a deal being done right at the death.
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I have no deal as a 30% chance. Johnson can get a deal out of the EU. We already have a deal and the EU will be happy to give it a new paint job and stick a bow on it but Johnson’s problem is getting any deal through Parliament. If he uses Labour votes to pass it the Tories will get hammered by the Brexit Party. If he gets it through on Tory votes (highly unlikely) then the Tories still get hammered. Force through a no deal Brexit and at the first sign of trouble the Tories are getting hammered once the patriotic excitement at torching our relations with 27 European countries wears off.

Johnson will go for no deal but get blocked by Parliament and take the A50 extension and then fight a GE or referendum as the ‘real’ Brexit Party. Only route that gives him and the Tories a chance.

My money is on an A50 extension because I can’t see any deal getting through Parliament. Truth is the EU isn’t the problem. Every move made by Johnson, everything said by this Govt is solely for domestic consumption. U.K. domestic politics are the problem. So in that sense yes a lot of what is happening now is political theatre. But you are the audience not the EU.
 
joe123 said:
Exactly. Wouldn’t surprise me now if we have rolling time limits on the backstop til we can actually come up with something that solves it, and Johnson still presenting it as master diplomacy
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That’s possible. A series of target dates to aim at which if not met then the date rolls over. It would probably allow the AG to change his legal advice which would help. Whether this gets through Parliament is still unknown and without a firm guarantee from Johnson that he can sell the deal domestically the EU are unlikely to budge.

The problem is U.K. domestic politics not the EU.
 
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hilts said:
Google is their friend, solely remainer biased sites mind. We all love a 5 minute ago expert.
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Google means it can be proven that it's (a) a nonsense that no Remainers mentioned the GFA before the referendum and (b) that no Leavers in any Leave campaign advocated leaving with no deal, that (c) two months ago Gove couldn't support No Deal because of the promises made by Leave during the campaign that (d) if we left we'd still be in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border.

It's not google, it's truth that's the friend. Google just helps with memory.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s that exact same fluff Dublin and Brussels have been discussing for quite a while I’m afraid although the EU budget stretches to an A4 pad I believe.
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Keep to the point. If specific alternative arrangements are available and viable do you not think it would be in the UK’s interests in terms of business investment and confidence and the health of Sterling to have this firmly in the public domain and to be seen openly discussing these arrangements with the EU?

Because for the life of me I fail to see any merit in degrading our economy.
 
Vic said:
Google means it can be proven that it's (a) a nonsense that no Remainers mentioned the GFA before the referendum and (b) that no Leavers in any Leave campaign advocated leaving with no deal, that (c) two months ago Gove couldn't support No Deal because of the promises made by Leave during the campaign that (d) if we left we'd still be in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border.

It's not google, it's truth that's the friend. Google just helps with memory.
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I think it would be fair to say the Irish problem didn’t get the air time it deserved, I could google lizard sex cult and get something.

* I got fuck all frigid lizard mother fuckers
 
blueinsa said:
It’s political theatre time Bob, grand standing all around.

Willing to put a few bob in a deal being done right at the death.
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Pretty obvious to anyone who has been arround the block and worked in business that this is going to be the end result. Could have been done earlier had May and her civil servants had any experience in negotiating or the desire for Brexit. Those panicking and peddling project fear like the BBC and the lib dems and the fickle labour party are actually playing into the UKs gov hands by making it look more likley that we are prepared to go the whole mile. It's only a matter of time before Merkel tells the EU leaders to renegotiate. The paymaster calls the shots as always and in this case the two biggest are Germany and the UK.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Pretty obvious to anyone who has been arround the block and worked in business that this is going to be the end result. Could have been done earlier had May and her civil servants had any experience in negotiating or the desire for Brexit. Those panicking and peddling project fear like the BBC and the lib dems and the fickle labour party are actually playing into the UKs gov hands by making it look more likley that we are prepared to go the whole mile. It's only a matter of time before Merkel tells the EU leaders to renegotiate. The paymaster calls the shots as always and in this case the two biggest are Germany and the UK.
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I wish I could be streetwise like you.
 
BobKowalski said:
I think he gained 30 day deadline in which he agreed to solve the unsolvable and allow Berlin and Paris to punt the ball of no deal back into our court. Quite the triumph apparently.
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Yeah that's the way I see it. True to form, lots of bluster and bullshit that comes back to bite him.

Merkel probably couldn't believe her luck, he hasn't even dealt with Macron yet who's the more machiavellian of the two, wonder what he'll give away there?
 
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