George Hannah
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It's the Republic's constitutional imperative and their friends in the north are ready and willing to soak the whole island and the rest of the UK in blood again to achieve it.
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I think there has been a deliberate ploy to couch it in negative language. This as well as terms such as 'hard brexit' and 'crashing out' have been elevated to our vocabulary to create fear and negativity. Language is powerful and is used in Orwellian ways at time to guide thought. In this way a second referendum has been rebranded as a 'peoples vote' and promoted by the very people who have an issue with the people deciding anything. The newest seems to be 'a government of national unity' which would seem to be anything but - in fact those involved don't seem to have enough unity even between themselves to get it off the ground. Honourable mention to 'change uk' of course - effectively a single issue party promoting that we stay as we are and don't change.Has anybody pointed out that no deal is in fact a deal in itself.
I always thought that was the rationale behind May's "no deal is better than a bad deal"
Semantics maybe, but when you actually think about it, it does make sense. Leaving with the deal of no deal is better than leaving with a deal that is worse that the deal we currently have.
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It isn't a constitutional imperative and hasn't been since the referendum that passed the GFA. Keep up at the backIt's the Republic's constitutional imperative and their friends in the north are ready and willing to soak the whole island and the rest of the UK in blood again to achieve it.
George Hannah
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I'm sure you know that Amendment 19 is an irrelevant and temporary detail as far as the political wing of the IRA is concerned.It isn't a constitutional imperative and hasn't been since the referendum that passed the GFA. Keep up at the back
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I'm sure you know they're an irrelevance when it comes to the governance and constitution of this country, having spent precisely 0 of our 98 years of independence in office.I'm sure you know that Article 19 is an irrelevant detail as far as the political wing of the IRA is concerned.
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Not an irrelevance in the north. The forced returned of direct rule is what SF is waiting for.I'm sure you know they're an irrelevance when it comes to the governance and constitution of this country, having spent precisely 0 of our 98 years of independence in office.
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This is what worries me. The power vacuum created by the suspension of Stormont is a much bigger threat to peace than anything to do with brexit.Not an irrelevance in the north. The forced returned of direct rule is what SF is waiting for.
Honourable mention to 'change uk' of course - effectively a single issue party promoting that we stay as we are and don't change.
"Change" is the most powerful word in politics in the 21st century.
Obama ran on Change, Cameron ran on Change, UKIP and Leave ran on Change, Corbyn ran on Change, Trump ran on Change.
It's a bit sad to say really but the secret of getting elected seems to be saying the word change 100 times an hour and hope that nobody asks for the details.
Unfortunately for Change UK, when they said that they're here to change politics, literally the first question asked in their first press conference was "how?". They were dead in the water immediately.
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At least the Conservative Party's name is true to its genuine nature for good and ill."Change" is the most powerful word in politics in the 21st century.
Obama ran on Change, Cameron ran on Change, UKIP and Leave ran on Change, Corbyn ran on Change, Trump ran on Change.
It's a bit sad to say really but the secret of getting elected seems to be saying the word change 100 times an hour and hope that nobody asks for the details.
Unfortunately for Change UK, when they said that they're here to change politics, literally the first question asked in their first press conference was "how?". They were dead in the water immediately.
But not a constitutional imperative which is what you said and haven't got round to recanting.Not an irrelevance in the north. The forced returned of direct rule is what SF is waiting for.
Who doesn't have the UK's interests as a priority?This reply to a post from GH saying:
"There was never a time when the EU would agree to let us out, it's not in their interest. Their 'deal' is and has always been just a crash out after a two year delay for their own better preparation and economic realignment"
A view which is entirely correct - except that the EU will keep us in a straightjacket for a lot longer than 2 years - and one shared my millions of people and is strengthened by the behaviour and language of the EU and Varadkar - and that of some on this thread
Some people are enjoying the discomfiture into which the fuckwits Robbins and May have placed the UK - all those that have the UK's interests as a priority should understand what is happening and utterly reject this cynical contrivance
I can understand you enjoying the Lols - I despair at other Remainers who ether do not understand the subject(s) (despite the volume of their posts) or prefer to see harm to the UK just so long as they can feel they are winning a position on an internet forum
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As far as the Republic is concerned unification is right up there in Article 3 of their constituton: "It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland.." What's this 'recant' nonsense about?But not a constitutional imperative which is what you said and haven't got round to recanting.
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No other country would prioritise our interests above theirs but a few of them expect it of us - encouraged by Corbyn's Labour Party in the case of the Irish Republic (along with others).Who doesn't have the UK's interests as a priority?
You see that a lot from Remainers - they just neeeed to have the last wordI already have left it. No-one is forcing you to reply to any of my posts.
Bet they never put the phone down when teenagers
It might be their firm will, that doesn’t mean that they would want to do it in any circumstancesAs far as the Republic is concerned unification is right up there in Article 3 of their constituton: "It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland.." What's this 'recant' nonsense about?
I'm not going to argue the semantics of "imperative". But that sounds a lot less imperative than "The national territory consists of the whole island of Ireland, its islands and the territorial seas" pre-GFA.As far as the Republic is concerned unification is right up there in Article 3 of their constituton: "It is the firm will of the Irish nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland.." What's this 'recant' nonsense about?
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Top chef Richard Bertinet 'denied permanent UK stay' despite living here for 31 years
A top chef who has lived in the UK for 31 years and has three British children says he has been denied the right to stay permanently after Brexit.
Richard Bertinet, who owns a cooking school and bakery in Bath and has written several award-winning cookbooks, described the government's settlement scheme to allow EU citizens to stay in the UK "shambolic".
Mr Bertinet was only granted pre-settled status, which means he will need to apply again for the right to remain in the UK in five years.
His comments follow a public outcry after Polish chef Damian Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Royal Family and at the London Olympics, said he was not given permanent settled status despite living in the UK for 15 years.
EU citizens will have to apply via the settlement scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021, as part of post-Brexit plans.
Pre-settled status is usually given to those who have lived in the UK for less than five years.
Mr Bertinet says he has lived in the UK for three decades without any breaks - apart from a few weeks of holidays - and that he has a British wife and three British children.
Those granted settled status can stay in the UK as long as they like and can apply for British citizenship if eligible - but those in Mr Bertinet's and Mr Wawrzyniak's positions will need to apply again.
Mr Bertinet said he had "submitted all evidence requested" but it was still "not good enough for settled status".
He told Sky News it was "embarrassing" to apply for the settlement scheme after living in the UK for nearly all of his life.
"To prove that I've been here for 31 years - goodness me, they can track everything I've done for 31 years. I shouldn't have to prove that," he said.
He was defended by TV chef Nigella Lawson, who said the decision was "idiotic and wrong, and so hurtful".
But Mr Bertinet said his main concern was people getting "caught out" by not applying to the scheme.
MPs and think tanks previously warned the EU settlement scheme, which requires an estimated 3.5 million EU citizens to register, could become the next Windrush scandal.
A report found "large numbers" of EU nationals living in the UK could be left in limbo or ruled to be in the country illegally.
Former home secretary Sajid Javid had said the system would be "simple and straightforward" and added: "We will be looking to grant, not for reasons to refuse."
Figures released this week show that of the 800,000 applications dealt with by 30 June, 65% were granted full status and 35% were granted pre-settled status.
Mr Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, told his 17,000 Twitter followers: "Have lived in the UK for 15 years.
And Brexit isn't about Racism ..... my arse
A top chef who has lived in the UK for 31 years and has three British children says he has been denied the right to stay permanently after Brexit.
Richard Bertinet, who owns a cooking school and bakery in Bath and has written several award-winning cookbooks, described the government's settlement scheme to allow EU citizens to stay in the UK "shambolic".
Mr Bertinet was only granted pre-settled status, which means he will need to apply again for the right to remain in the UK in five years.
His comments follow a public outcry after Polish chef Damian Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Royal Family and at the London Olympics, said he was not given permanent settled status despite living in the UK for 15 years.
EU citizens will have to apply via the settlement scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021, as part of post-Brexit plans.
Pre-settled status is usually given to those who have lived in the UK for less than five years.
Mr Bertinet says he has lived in the UK for three decades without any breaks - apart from a few weeks of holidays - and that he has a British wife and three British children.
Those granted settled status can stay in the UK as long as they like and can apply for British citizenship if eligible - but those in Mr Bertinet's and Mr Wawrzyniak's positions will need to apply again.
Mr Bertinet said he had "submitted all evidence requested" but it was still "not good enough for settled status".
He told Sky News it was "embarrassing" to apply for the settlement scheme after living in the UK for nearly all of his life.
"To prove that I've been here for 31 years - goodness me, they can track everything I've done for 31 years. I shouldn't have to prove that," he said.
He was defended by TV chef Nigella Lawson, who said the decision was "idiotic and wrong, and so hurtful".
But Mr Bertinet said his main concern was people getting "caught out" by not applying to the scheme.
MPs and think tanks previously warned the EU settlement scheme, which requires an estimated 3.5 million EU citizens to register, could become the next Windrush scandal.
A report found "large numbers" of EU nationals living in the UK could be left in limbo or ruled to be in the country illegally.
Former home secretary Sajid Javid had said the system would be "simple and straightforward" and added: "We will be looking to grant, not for reasons to refuse."
Figures released this week show that of the 800,000 applications dealt with by 30 June, 65% were granted full status and 35% were granted pre-settled status.
Mr Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, told his 17,000 Twitter followers: "Have lived in the UK for 15 years.
And Brexit isn't about Racism ..... my arse
Top chef Richard Bertinet 'denied permanent UK stay' despite living here for 31 years
A top chef who has lived in the UK for 31 years and has three British children says he has been denied the right to stay permanently after Brexit.
Richard Bertinet, who owns a cooking school and bakery in Bath and has written several award-winning cookbooks, described the government's settlement scheme to allow EU citizens to stay in the UK "shambolic".
Mr Bertinet was only granted pre-settled status, which means he will need to apply again for the right to remain in the UK in five years.
His comments follow a public outcry after Polish chef Damian Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Royal Family and at the London Olympics, said he was not given permanent settled status despite living in the UK for 15 years.
EU citizens will have to apply via the settlement scheme to continue living in the UK after 30 June 2021, as part of post-Brexit plans.
Pre-settled status is usually given to those who have lived in the UK for less than five years.
Mr Bertinet says he has lived in the UK for three decades without any breaks - apart from a few weeks of holidays - and that he has a British wife and three British children.
Those granted settled status can stay in the UK as long as they like and can apply for British citizenship if eligible - but those in Mr Bertinet's and Mr Wawrzyniak's positions will need to apply again.
Mr Bertinet said he had "submitted all evidence requested" but it was still "not good enough for settled status".
He told Sky News it was "embarrassing" to apply for the settlement scheme after living in the UK for nearly all of his life.
"To prove that I've been here for 31 years - goodness me, they can track everything I've done for 31 years. I shouldn't have to prove that," he said.
He was defended by TV chef Nigella Lawson, who said the decision was "idiotic and wrong, and so hurtful".
But Mr Bertinet said his main concern was people getting "caught out" by not applying to the scheme.
MPs and think tanks previously warned the EU settlement scheme, which requires an estimated 3.5 million EU citizens to register, could become the next Windrush scandal.
A report found "large numbers" of EU nationals living in the UK could be left in limbo or ruled to be in the country illegally.
Former home secretary Sajid Javid had said the system would be "simple and straightforward" and added: "We will be looking to grant, not for reasons to refuse."
Figures released this week show that of the 800,000 applications dealt with by 30 June, 65% were granted full status and 35% were granted pre-settled status.
Mr Wawrzyniak, who has cooked for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, told his 17,000 Twitter followers: "Have lived in the UK for 15 years.
And Brexit isn't about Racism ..... my arse
Richard Bertinet is a bald white bloke who was born in Brittany. How you've connected this to racism is totally beyond me.
Also, if you'd bothered to actually read around with the story rather than seeing an article then outraging you'll have seen that:
- Pre-settled status allows 5 years residence with which to make another application
- Bertinet later said after consulting with the Home Office, he failed the application because his wife incorrectly filled it in and will be refiling, this time without mistakes
Thought it fairly obvious but I´ll spell it out for you. A non Brit comes to the UK gets a good education, does well for himself fine. What I object to is his desire to close this route to other non Brits, such as EU citizens. It seems rather ironic.So what’s your issue?
His skin colour?
His education?
His business acumen?
All three?
Added to which as a capitalist, he has businesses in the EU, which highlights the fact that capital can travel across borders no problem but people can´t.
So nothing to do with the three things you mentioned.
which highlights the fact that capital can travel across borders no problem but people can´t.
Which is somewhat suspicious given the literally millions of people who cross borders every day. Even people outside the EU, shockingly
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