Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

The lazy cliché is saying Abbott and Corbyn are racist. I have already pulled apart your Abbott post and if you believe Corbyn is anti semitic then I am not going to change that, its what you believe and you are entitled to it. I don't believe he is and I am entitled to believe that.

Ha ha ha

Imagine if farage Boris or me started a sentence with “ black people they “ ....

But Diane she was being a silly billy with her “white people”

 

[Damocles]

NO. I don't normally converse with Neanderthals.

That's racist.

 

[hilts]

Of course but for the basis of consistency it would be poor to accuse her of being a racist while letting people like Boris off the hook. They're either all racist or they're all not, depending on your definition.

I tend to use the dictionary definition of racism which talks about hatred for other races and a belief in the superiority of your own. I don't personally think anybody in Parliament qualifies or if they have then they're quiet about it.

I can’t speak for others but trust me I have never let Boris off the hook, I started the thread on the numpty. By dictionary definition nearly no one can be proved to be racist. I think the people defending Diane certainly never follow the dictionary definition.

 

[Rascal]

That's racist.

I knew I should have voted leave

 

[Damocles]

I can’t speak for others but trust me I have never let Boris off the hook, I started the thread on the numpty. By dictionary definition nearly no one can be proved to be racist. I think the people defending Diane certainly never follow the dictionary definition.

Yeah I see that, I can only give my view on it. I think calling people a racist is probably now the most overused slur towards somebody to the point where it has lost almost all meaning. I live in one of the most racist areas in the country if political voting is to be believed, and I know actual racists and they're pretty unashamedly open about it. They leave you in little doubt.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Yeah I see that, I can only give my view on it. I think calling people a racist is probably now the most overused slur towards somebody to the point where it has lost almost all meaning. I live in one of the most racist areas in the country if political voting is to be believed, and I know actual racists and they're pretty unashamedly open about it. They leave you in little doubt.

Is the correct answer.

 

[Ric]

Just more hypocrisy really.

I think many of the political threads are littered with some rank hypocrisy, on both sides.

 

[hilts]

Yeah I see that, I can only give my view on it. I think calling people a racist is probably now the most overused slur towards somebody to the point where it has lost almost all meaning. I live in one of the most racist areas in the country if political voting is to be believed, and I know actual racists and they're pretty unashamedly open about it. They leave you in little doubt.

We are pretty much in agreement. But to put this EVERY racist voted leave to bed, and I’m sure remainers will do so when they see they are wrong(haha) let’s take an analogy based on my own experience that proves this an absolute untruth without me naming names or company.

Let’s say Mike Ashley was a racist and xenophobe. This is MIke Ashley whose warehouse wouldn’t let his mainly Eastern European Asian and black staff go,to the toilet and made them go through security checks unpaid for an hour bringing them under minimum wage.

Do we think Mr Ashley would be keen on Brexit? Do you think he would vote leave and damage his personal wealth?

A racist would/could vote remain if it was in their interests financially. This seems logical without even knowing such a person.


* just in case someone didn’t read it properly I don’t know Mike Ashley he could be a wonderful chap. The guy I know owns a much smaller company but is a right dickhead to his staff.

 

[hilts]

I think many of the political threads are littered with some rank hypocrisy, on both sides.

No argument there.

 

[Rascal]

Ha ha ha

Imagine if farage Boris or me started a sentence with “ black people they “ ....

But Diane she was being a silly billy with her “white people”

Piccanninies with water melon smiles. Letterboxes. People speaking funny on trains.

White people said those things.

White people who voted leave

White people who I could not vote for despite seeing the benefit in lexit

The one thing nobody can argue about is that the referendum has allowed the normalisation of language that pre-referendum people in general would have considered abhorrent. That is one of the real tragedies of the referendum, it has allowed the rise of the right wing populists with their faux patriotism and overt nationalism.

There is nothing more idiotic than seeing a bloke in a Crusaders outfit supporting Brexit arguing with a Guardian reading Remainer holding a Costa coffee cup. That is the miserable state of UK politics today.

Have we really so little shame

 

[yerwot?]

remainers call us thick......we have to crash out
Dianne Abbot is a racist.....we have to crash out
the back-stop is the worst thing ever invented ever...we have to crash out
the EU are being awkward....we have to crash out
JC and the labour party are anti-jews.... we have to crash out
the people voted to crash out....we have to crash out
the "trajectory", we really really have to er er crash out
the gfa is the work of the devil, we have to crash out
global warming....we have to crash out
var....we have to crash out
project fear....we have to crash out
Amazon forest ablaze....just a matter of time before that joins the list.
trump says we should crash out, farage says we must crash out, jrm says we must crash out, bojiac is prepared to ignore parliament to enable crashing out, murdoch is paying to force a crash-out, same with rothermere, dacre, banks, not to mention millions spent on social media by vested interests...all of them desperately defending "democracy".
Yeah right.....

 

[Rascal]

remainers call us thick......we have to crash out
Dianne Abbot is a racist.....we have to crash out
the back-stop is the worst thing ever invented ever...we have to crash out
the EU are being awkward....we have to crash out
JC and the labour party are anti-jews.... we have to crash out
the people voted to crash out....we have to crash out
the "trajectory", we really really have to er er crash out
the gfa is the work of the devil, we have to crash out
global warming....we have to crash out
var....we have to crash out
project fear....we have to crash out
Amazon forest ablaze....just a matter of time before that joins the list.
trump says we should crash out, farage says we must crash out, jrm says we must crash out, bojiac is prepared to ignore parliament to enable crashing out, murdoch is paying to force a crash-out, same with rothermere, dacre, banks, not to mention millions spent on social media by vested interests...all of them desperately defending "democracy".
Yeah right.....

That's very poetic, it has a real tempo to it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Hang on? I thought we were in line for the easiest bestest trade deal with our closest ever ally with whom we have a special relationship. Now Boris is saying they have to compromise as well as the EU...........dunno about everybody else but whilst Mayday was shit Boris seems to hold a negotiating strategy that revolves around the UK telling everybody we NEED to do a deal with that THEY have to compromise...........can't see this approach being anything like a winner tbf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49462613

 

[mcfc1632]

only a ceremonial conceit, in practice they will do what they are told like the rest.

Well described

Another inconvenient truth - a blow to all the Billy big bollocks stuff we have been hearing

 

[mcfc1632]

Quite. Maybe then their citizens need to decide if they want to be in the UK or EU?

I would think that there is a pretty obvious strategy for Johnson here

He knows that he is not going to get a change to the WA

He knows that Labour will not support any changed deal anyway - they are just looking to secure power and that is far more important to them than a good outcome that delivers on the referendum

So he should simply do what he is doing - ensure that the EU is seen as the 'bad guy' and make that clear in many peoples minds

Make sure that Labour & LibDems are seen as those responsible for forcing another extension on the UK

Undertake a major PR campaign to emphasise these positions in the minds of all those voters that are not close-minded EU sycophants

Call an election campaigning on leaving the EU, ideally with a deal, with no-deal as the 'backstop' and also with a vote being held in N.I. to enable N.I. to determine for themselves whether there should be a sea or land border - thereby closing down that issue. Obviously he would need to secure a majority and not rely on the DUP

Now it is a gamble - he may not win a majority.

I suspect though, given the large number of Remain constituencies in the south that would not vote Labour under any circumstances and the number of marginal seats - he just might.

The prospects are increased due to the LibDems and a confused Labour causing a split in the remain vote in a lot of marginal constituencies

 

[Rascal]

I would think that there is a pretty obvious strategy for Johnson here

He knows that he is not going to get a change to the WA

He knows that Labour will not support any changed deal anyway - they are just looking to secure power and that is far more important to them than a good outcome that delivers on the referendum

So he should simply do what he is doing - ensure that the EU is seen as the 'bad guy' and make that clear in many peoples minds

Make sure that Labour & LibDems are seen as those responsible for forcing another extension on the UK

Undertake a major PR campaign to emphasise these positions in the minds of all those voters that are not close-minded EU sycophants

Call an election campaigning on leaving the EU, ideally with a deal and also with a vote being held in N.I. to enable N.I. to determine for themselves whether there should be a sea or land border - thereby closing down that issue. Obviously he would need to secure a majority and not rely on the DUP

Now it is a gamble - he may not win a majority.

I suspect though, given the large number of Remain constituencies in the south that would not vote Labour under any circumstances and the number of marginal seats - he just might.

The prospects are increased due to the LibDems and a confused Labour causing a split in the remain vote in a lot of marginal constituencies

Its very sad that such a massive decision on our nations future could come down to real politik.

For me it would confirm that the referendum was never about leaving the EU and always about the Tory party remaining in power at any cost.

 

[mcfc1632]

I can’t be arsed replying to you. You keep posting the same stuff despite being proved wrong time and time again.

I don’t like the backstop and it’s dead anyway.

No deal hasn’t forced the EU to the table, they’re standing firm as it doesn’t affect them as much as us.

We told you this and you didn’t believe it.

So you say that you cannot be arsed replying to me - as you type out a reply to me

You so neeeeed the last word

And I love how you say:

"We told you this and you didn’t believe it."

Why would I - I happen to clearly know that you are utterly wrong - it is a theme

P.s. don't forget that you cannot be arsed replying to me - so don't prove yourself wrong again​

 

[mcfc1632]

How can you prepare for no deal if you keep people in the dark? How do you build necessary infrastructure without letting people know where to build? We’re not planning the Normandy invasion we’re building a fucking customs shed. Except in NI. Definitely not building one in NI.

You cannot prepare for no-deal by keeping everyone in the dark

There are a portfolio of programmes across all the main affected government departments, e.g. Defra & HO to advance no-deal, or just general Leave, preparations. They are being coordinated under Cabinet Office governance and reporting processes. Because they are being progressed people will be aware of them and things will leak.

What I was meaning is that this government should not actively publish/communicate its key positions and key risks as the sycophants will be quick to share

No you cannot prevent the leaks when you have so many who's sycophancy is a higher priority than the UK's interests - but you can try and limit it

 

[mcfc1632]

Tbh I think chlorine is probably one of the better aspects of imported chicken. Not even the red tractor or EC label are any guarantee with chicken and pork in particular. More an animal husbandry than Brexit point btw.

Remainers just like to use the word 'chlorinated' to scare the children

 

[mcfc1632]

I suppose once (if) a solution is found which makes the WA deal more palatable, it will soon become clear how many of those claiming to be against 'no deal' are in fact just Remainers prepared to say anything to throw,a spanner in Brexit. In darkness to the lib dems they are at least honest in this respect.

This as been the case for 3 years