Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

Many people wanted Brexit in order to stop EU citizens coming to the UK and taking jobs we could do. The end of freedom of movement will achieve that. What I don't understand is why some on here think that's a one way street. Currently it is much easier for Brits to work in the EU than Australians, Americans and others precisely because we are part of the club.

Jobs we could do but wouldn't...

 

[blueinsa]

Anger is rising as it’s slowly dawning that the campaign to revoke has been a waste of time.

 

[west didsblue]

I am sure we are all excited to see whether England can turn it round today (as well as a city win) , you will see they now do in game win predicters on Sky with the various options given as a % during the game

Let’s play brexit predictor I think it’s .....

Leave with a deal 31/10 45%

Leave with no deal 31/10 25%

Revoke on 31/10 10%

Extend again on 31/10 20%

I’ll have a fiver on revoke and a fiver on extend to hedge my bet.

 

[cibaman]

I am sure we are all excited to see whether England can turn it round today (as well as a city win) , you will see they now do in game win predicters on Sky with the various options given as a % during the game

Let’s play brexit predictor I think it’s .....

Leave with a deal 31/10 45%

Leave with no deal 31/10 25%

Revoke on 31/10 10%

Extend again on 31/10 20%

10% a 50% 10% c 30%d

 

[blueparrot]

I am sure we are all excited to see whether England can turn it round today (as well as a city win) , you will see they now do in game win predicters on Sky with the various options given as a % during the game

Let’s play brexit predictor I think it’s .....

Leave with a deal 31/10 45%

Leave with no deal 31/10 25%

Revoke on 31/10 10%

Extend again on 31/10 20%

10%. 10%. 10% 70%

 

[Rascal]

Leave or remain I think this is an excellent explanation of the backstop and the issues surrounding it.

 

[lust overlord]

I am sure we are all excited to see whether England can turn it round today (as well as a city win) , you will see they now do in game win predicters on Sky with the various options given as a % during the game

Let’s play brexit predictor I think it’s .....

Leave with a deal 31/10 45%

Leave with no deal 31/10 25%

Revoke on 31/10 10%

Extend again on 31/10 20%

40% 25% 5% 30%

 

[blueinsa]

60%, 30%, 0%, 10%

 

[west didsblue]

60%, 30%, 0%, 10%

Actually I’ll have 10p on revoke with you instead. I assume I can name my own odds if you believe there’s a 0% chance of it happening.

 

[blueinsa]

Actually I’ll have 10p on revoke with you instead. I assume I can name my own odds if you believe there’s a 0% chance of it happening.

I’m not a bookmaker unfortunately;-)

A deal is going to be done here because the Irish economy will tank in the event of a no deal brexit and they know it.

 

[Damocles]

And yet human nature is mostly change resistant. Strange isn’t it? I guess it’s a numbers game. The acceptance of political change is determined by how good or bad you feel about the status quo.

We've out civilised ourselves.

This is something that I've been thinking about a lot over the past few years but I'm starting to think that the mass spike in depression, anxiety, and other mental health issues might be related not only to better diagnostics but also to how we have moved too far away from our evolutionary boundaries too quickly.

One of my favourite concepts that Carl Sagan put forward in his books was the idea that human evolution still impacts our psychology every day today. Specifically, he wrote about the notion that humans are the type of species who REQUIRE a frontier in order to function properly - whether that frontier be the horizon or the ocean or the Moon. We don't have any frontiers any more; the whole Earth has been explored, space technology is hundreds of years away from any sort of exploratory missions, and we've crossed every ocean on the planet. Sagan postulated that this has left a deep malaise and depression on the human species, but in a sort of ghostly way. We know there's something wrong with how our society is but we just can't nail it down.

We have access to an almost unlimited amount of information now through the internet. The human brain is not designed to have unlimited access to information; pleasure hormones are sent off to the brain when you learn something new - probably a technique used evolutionary to benefit those who learned new techniques or wisened old knowledge about how or where to hunt. With unlimited access to information, we've killed that hormonal response to some degree as we build chemical resistance to it. Now we're not so much about learning, we're about "having learned". Junkies for the fix of being informed but without the time to dedicate to the learning process. We cannot process the amount of information that the world spits at us every day now through the media, social media and modern civilization. The only way we're learning to survive this neurological onslaught is by literally ignoring vast swathes of an issue in order to try and take on some level of understanding of it.

When a politician comes along and talks about "change" it inspires all of us. There's not a person reading this that doesn't understand that the world or perhaps society or perhaps people are broken, this isn't the way things are supposed to be. We're not meant to live the lives that we live, shackled to the capitalist system or nations or politics living in metropolis sized cities and working in cubicles all day. But there's also not a person reading this that deep down doesn't understand exactly WHAT is wrong, only that something is. We don't have solutions to the eternal mystery of modern civilization - why are we like this when we could have been better?

This is why politicians talk about change - it talks to something inside us that we yearn for but cannot verbalise nor identify. If they said "lower taxes" or "we'll become communist" or something then you'd have opinions on those because they're concrete solutions. However by keeping it vague they're talking about exorcising Sagan's Ghost without actually saying how it will be achieved.

 

[west didsblue]

I’m not a bookmaker unfortunately;-)

A deal is going to be done here because the Irish economy will tank in the event of a no deal brexit and they know it.

No it won’t because the rest of the EU can afford to prop it up until its economy has re-balanced.
Ours on the other hand.....

 

[blueinsa]

No it won’t because the rest of the EU can afford to prop it up until its economy has re-balanced.
Ours on the other hand.....

The rest of the EU is largely a taker and in no position to bail out Ireland.

You mean Germany and France.

My guess is their electorates won’t have it again.

 

[west didsblue]

The rest of the EU is largely a taker and in no position to bail out Ireland.

You mean Germany and France.

My guess is their electorates won’t have it again.

Really? Looking at the stats 11 or 12 are net contributors out of the 28. Ireland’s GDP is less than 2% of the EU GDP and it will become the only English speaking country in the EU making it attractive for inward investment. It won’t take long for Ireland to get back on its feet.

 

[mcfc1632]

sycophants on here?
Are you sure you are using the right noun?

Sycophant;

1. a person who acts obsequiously towards someone important in order to gain advantage.
   synonyms: toady, creep, crawler, fawner, flatterer, flunkey, truckler, groveller, doormat, lickspittle, kowtower, obsequious person, minion, hanger-on, leech, puppet, spaniel, Uriah Heep; Mo

Yeah spot on

Have you not been reading these threads and witnessed the way some posters display those attributes as they speak of the EU and run down the UK?

 

[blueinsa]

Really? Looking at the stats 11 or 12 are net contributors out of the 28. Ireland’s GDP is less than 2% of the EU GDP and it will become the only English speaking country in the EU making it attractive for inward investment. It won’t take long for Ireland to get back on its feet.

Good I’m pleased as I’ve no desire to see them struggle once we have left.

 

[Metal Biker]

I am sure we are all excited to see whether England can turn it round today (as well as a city win) , you will see they now do in game win predicters on Sky with the various options given as a % during the game

Let’s play brexit predictor I think it’s .....

Leave with a deal 31/10 45%

Leave with no deal 31/10 25%

Revoke on 31/10 10%

Extend again on 31/10 20%

65%

15%

0%

20%

 

[west didsblue]

Good I’m pleased as I’ve no desire to see them struggle once we have left.

Neither have I but my bigger concern is our own economy which our government appears to be putting at risk to appease a small faction of its parliamentary support (DUP and ERG), and because they’re scared of Farage.

 

[blueinsa]

Neither have I but my bigger concern is our own economy which our government appears to be putting at risk to appease a small faction of its parliamentary support (DUP and ERG), and because they’re scared of Farage.

I must have missed the SNP, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dem’s and a majority of the Labour Party voting against the deal.

It’s why their demands against no deal is so laughable.

 

[west didsblue]

I must have missed the SNP, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dem’s and a majority of the Labour Party voting against the deal.

It’s why their demands against no deal is so laughable.

They are the opposition. Their idea of Brexit is radically different to the government’s so why would you expect them to support it? The ERG and the DUP are on the government benches so are responsible for the failure of the deal.
Maybe May should have got some cross party consensus when negotiating the deal. Instead she ignored the opposition and then expected them to support her deal using No Deal as a threat. Johnson is now following the same path.