Var debate 2019/20

BringBackSwales said:
The issue should be - did the referee get the decision right or wrong, not was it “clear and obvious”. It strikes me that VAR “referees” deciding if something is clear and obvious is subjective, not the issue itself - an incident is either a pen or not a pen. Nobody is interested in whether the ref initially got it right or wrong, we are interested in it being right. It is understandable that a ref misses something in real time, it isn’t understandable how they review it in slow motion, and still come to the same wrong conclusion.
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The current implementation of VAR is akin to finding previously undiscovered high resolution footage of an unsolved crime taking place, watching the footage in ultra slow motion with facial recognition identifying the assailants, then saying “yes, we can see what has happened, who has done it, and that it was indeed a crime, but current policy states we can’t overturn the investigators’ original conclusion that there is insufficient evidence to charge anyone with the crime based on the previously limited evidence available. Also, the investigator hasn’t seen it. Also, the victim should have fallen backward.”
 
moh said:
A poor implementation of this is what most of football governance wants. They will keep this up across all the leagues for a season before collectively coming to the conclusion that VAR is not suited to the sport and abandoning it

And then tell everybody..."we tried it but you all said it didn't work"
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I hope you're right.
 
Rammy Blue said:
My point about the monitor was that if pigmol don’t want to be seen to be re-refereeing the game and overruling the ref then how difficult would it have been to say to Marriner that they think he should go and check the monitor. He then doesn’t lose face because he’s just getting to see what he may have missed due to poor view or speed of game etc, he comes back and gives the decision. IF he had then come back and not given the penalty we’d know it was due to game being bent, simple.
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This all day long!
 
I think one of the key points is the top refs are on the pitch, the VAR refs are second or third level so probably don’t want to upset the apple cart. It seems that bar is being used to disallow goals whenever but not correct bad decisions in the attackers favour.

I think with car the offside rule should be feet only as strikers naturally lean forward to look across the line which is putting them offside.

The celebration issue ruling out loads of goals will eventually stop some supporters going to games
 
So 3 games into the new season, and already we have seen controversy in 2 of our games where we have been not been given certain pens 2 against Spurs, and 1 against Bournemouth. There is nothing wrong with VAR as a hold. Where the blames lies is with those who are overseeing the screens. The way I see it if this continues we will stand no chance of winning the Premier League for the 3rd time on the run.

This is a serious question. Do you think that if this continues where we are not being given certain penalties, will we win the Premier League again. I don't think so. So instead of being level on points with Liverpool, we find ourselves already 2pts behind. If this continues by Christmas we could well be about 8 to 10pts behind Liverpool.

onceablue. I have already said that, that will turn away football supporters from coming to games if they constantly see decisions going against them. Just like we have seen in our 3 games.

davek how do we know that there are pitch side monitors at all premier league games. Judging by the way that VAR is working there are no pitch side monitors for any premier League games. So that just leaves the video refs to be given carte blanche to over turn any decisions the refs gives.
 
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King KdB of Belgium said:
So 3 games into the new season, and already we have seen controversy in 2 of our games where we have been not been given certain pens 2 against Spurs, and 1 against Bournemouth. There is nothing wrong with VAR as a hold. Where the blames lies is with those who are overseeing the screens. The way I see it if this continues we will stand no chance of winning the Premier League for the 3rd time on the run.

This is a serious question. Do you think that if this continues where we are not being given certain penalties, will we win the Premier League again. I don't think so. So instead of being level on points with Liverpool, we find ourselves already 2pts behind. If this continues by Christmas we could well be about 8 to 10pts behind Liverpool.

onceablue. I have already said that, that will turn away football supporters from coming to games if they constantly see decisions going against them. Just like we have seen in our 3 games.

davek how do we know that there are pitch side monitors at all premier league games. Judging by the way that VAR is working there are no pitch side monitors for any premier League games. So that just leaves the video refs to be given carte blanche to over turn any decisions the refs gives.
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EVERY game has a pitchside monitor, and that’s a fact.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Exactly. And once again, I will add, that hiding behind the “we don’t want to slow the game down by reviewing at pitch side monitor” is just utter bullshit and code for them wanting to still be able to control the results. Personally I have no issue with the game having a few minutes added on due to the ref checking stuff pitchside, chances are it happens no more than a couple of times a game, big deal.
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Get it on the big screen so the match day fans can see too.
 
Marvin said:
My only explanation for this is that on-field refs are leaving difficult decisions to VAR review, and VAR review are only over-ruling ref if it was a clear and obvious error by the ref in not awarding a penalty. i.e. they may find that the player stood on the forward's foot, and conclude that the ref could not have seen that.
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So you are saying if the ref didn't see something VAR will not overrule them? That isn't what the PL guidelines say.

The non-award of the Silva penalty is either:

1) The ref didn't see it in which case VAR should alert him to it: https://www.premierleague.com/news/1297438
2) The ref saw it and thought it wasn't a penalty in which case VAR should alert him it was: https://www.premierleague.com/news/1297392

I wont bother quoting the 3rd option - we all know what that is.
 
VAR should be really simple and quick to implement

Forget forensic examination of millimetre offside decisions, the tech isn't up to scratch anyway
Forget forensic examinations of accidental handball

Apply the KISS principle

review both in a 5 second window, far more time than the referee had, and if it isn't clear and obvious in that 5 second window then crack on

Follow that with mic'ing up the caravan down south and the officials on the pitch, and playing the reviewed video in realtime on the big screen

Finally, provide a box of bollocks for the VAR officials so that, if it is a clear and obvious error to the 3 in the caravan, they overrule the guy on the pitch

It won't stop every controversial or incorrect decision, but it "should" if used fairly, stop the clear and obvious ones (the reason for the introduction of VAR in the first place)

There, it's fixed, you're welcome
 
flook said:
VAR should be really simple and quick to implement

Forget forensic examination of millimetre offside decisions, the tech isn't up to scratch anyway
Forget forensic examinations of accidental handball

Apply the KISS principle

review both in a 5 second window, far more time than the referee had, and if it isn't clear and obvious in that 5 second window then crack on

Follow that with mic'ing up the caravan down south and the officials on the pitch, and playing the reviewed video in realtime on the big screen

Finally, provide a box of bollocks for the VAR officials so that, if it is a clear and obvious error to the 3 in the caravan, they overrule the guy on the pitch

It won't stop every controversial or incorrect decision, but it "should" if used fairly, stop the clear and obvious ones (the reason for the introduction of VAR in the first place)

There, it's fixed, you're welcome
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Interesting .......just scrap it , it’s ruining football . There it’s fixed .
 
I must admit I was for VAR the VAR that I saw at other games were the ref was told by the VAR ref that the match ref should take a look the screen on the side of the pitch. Where did the premier league version come from ? I don't remember VAR games being ref'd by two refs like we have in the premiership, this isn't the VAR I thought we were getting. The premiership version of VAR is clearly bent we have some bloke in a shed over ruling the match official that cant be right. The match official has to see the screen and make his decision. How is the premiership allowed to have two refs ? no other league has two refs surely that must be against fifa rules ?


thinking back the schalkar game was the premier league version but didn't seem as bent as the premier league !!!!
 
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