Another new Brexit thread

[blueinsa]

Not just ‘a man’ but the Speaker.

Also a country at war with itself, a Parliament at war with itself, a PM elected by 140,000 voters suspending Parliament voted for by the people. You reckon this is ending well for any of us?

It will end better for our democracy than letting remain MP’s ignoring a democratic vote and promise to 68 Million citizens I know that.

 

[BobKowalski]

Amazing isn’t it all the plotting yesterday and schemes to stop brexit all fine

Today the prime minister responds and it’s an outrage and an affront to democracy.

And as far the stopping brexit gang yesterday what is the actual proposal to actually end this nightmare. None. Nothing. Just throwing rocks.

They were plotting to stop a no deal Brexit and it includes Tory MPs that voted for the WA and actually voted for Brexit. So not all are ‘just throwing rocks’. Some just want an orderly withdrawal and the 2017 GE returned a Parliament with a majority against a no deal Brexit. A Parliament that was voted for by the people which an unelected PM is trying to suspend.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

They were plotting to stop a no deal Brexit and it includes Tory MPs that voted for the WA and actually voted for Brexit. So not all are ‘just throwing rocks’. Some just want an orderly withdrawal and the 2017 GE returned a Parliament with a majority against a no deal Brexit. A Parliament that was voted for by the people which an unelected PM is trying to suspend.

Well they can do that , could have done that, by voting for the withdrawal agreement then.

the erg are happy with a no deal brexit.

 

[BobKowalski]

A vote for what bob? Please what is the actual vote those people are voting for.

It’s nothing it’s just a vote to say we don’t agree with anything .

There is nothing suggested , nothing no practical real solution to what happens on 31/10.

Show me what they actually have proposed to vote on to get through this?

Hammond voted for an orderly Brexit and voted for the WA. The 2017 GE voted in a Parliament that was opposed to a no deal Brexit. Hammond is being consistent.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Hammond voted for an orderly Brexit and voted for the WA. The 2017 GE voted in a Parliament that was opposed to a no deal Brexit. Hammond is being consistent.

Am not talking about Hammond I am talking about labour.

I think we should now stop stocking up on spam. I think in the words of the kaiser chiefs.... I predict a riot.

 

[Dribble]

It's not mudslinging at Leavers (except at Farage).

Most Germans weren't Nazis. But Hitler took over parliament and they suddenly found they were all Nazis.

To quote Brecht (about Hitler):

The beast is dead but don't rejoice, you men. The bitch that bore him is in heat again.

But yet those in favour of Brexit are quite happy to ignore & deny these facts staring them in the face... :-(

 

[BobKowalski]

Well they can do that , could have done that, by voting for the withdrawal agreement then.

the erg are happy with a no deal brexit.

Well a lot of them did. I’m just pointing out that all the plotting is not to stop Brexit. It’s to stop a no deal Brexit. Johnson claiming it's to stop Brexit is lying (again) and it seems to work since you repeated the same.

Some are using it as a vehicle to kill Brexit (Soubry) but that’s not true for everyone or even Corbyn to be honest and I think it’s only right to make that clear.

 

[BobKowalski]

Am not talking about Hammond I am talking about labour.

I think we should now stop stocking up on spam. I think in the words of the kaiser chiefs.... I predict a riot.

Ah ok. Apologies.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Germany, Nazis, fascists, far right, extremism.

You lot still haven’t grasped the concept that slurs and insults simply will not change minds or work.

They haven't, and what's amazing is that they think this kind of derogatory rhetoric will get people to think
like they do. Telling 17.4 million Brits that the reason they voted to leave a trading club was because they were seduced by Nazis
and that they haven't yet realised it, is frankly fucking laughable and the nearer we get, the more hysterical it gets

 

[mat]

Looks like Boris is still fighting WW2 whilst everyone else moved on.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Put your bets on this now, however unlikely it looks;









The Queen will say no.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[inbetween]

Well a lot of them did. I’m just pointing out that all the plotting is not to stop Brexit. It’s to stop a no deal Brexit. Johnson claiming it's to stop Brexit is lying (again) and it seems to work since you repeated the same.

Some are using it as a vehicle to kill Brexit (Soubry) but that’s not true for everyone or even Corbyn to be honest and I think it’s only right to make that clear.

They had their chance to stop no deal by voting against invoking Article 50.

They had their chance to vote through May's deal and prevent no deal but they rejected it three times.

They had a chance to say what deal they did want through the indicative votes and there was no overall majority for any of them.

If they do accept Brexit should happen then at what point will they vote for it?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

They haven't, and what's amazing is that they think this kind of derogatory rhetoric will get people to think
like they do. Telling 17.4 million Brits that the reason they voted to leave a trading club was because they were seduced by Nazis
and that they haven't yet realised it, is frankly fucking laughable and the nearer we get, the more hysterical it gets

It’s amazing , just like during the referendum every time I kind of thought is it really worth it , some know it all would call all leavers thick and a racist and my position would harden again.

Don’t worry I Am sure Gina gee and the rod stewart look a like will be back on our TVs soon.

They will get us all onboard.

 

[Vic]

You should try understanding my response better. I'll spell it out for you:

The Irish border is the issue.

The backstop was an agreed solution.

You quoted:

"Certainly the EU have no need to find a solution for the backstop - and neither have the UK"

So why would the EU need to find a solution for the backstop, when the backstop was their agreed solution with the UK government for the Irish border question?

I'll sit here patiently whilst you dig up an answer which makes sense.

Also, whilst you're at it, can you explain what your views on the EU were in the early 90s, & why?

Oh please don't give him any more reason to bang on about how he formed his own opinion.

""Certainly the EU have no need to find a solution for the backstop - and neither have the UK.

Do you understand why?"

I mean, no-one needs to find a solution for the backstop because the backstop is the solution.

What no-one has come up with is a different workable solution to the problem for which the backstop is the solution.

(Do you understand why?)

 

[west didsblue]

Soubry crying on the news is delicious.

Yep, that's what it's all about for you lot.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

But yet those in favour of Brexit are quite happy to ignore & deny these facts staring them in the face... :-(

Yes I'm quite sure that all 17.4 million of them when they were voting to leave the EU, didn't take into account
Krystallnacht and Dachau concentration camp.
Whatever were they thinking, eh?

 

[Vic]

Germany, Nazis, fascists, far right, extremism.

You lot still haven’t grasped the concept that slurs and insults simply will not change minds or work.

It doesn't matter because nothing seems to change minds or work. What would change your mind? We'll try that.

 

[Vic]

Yeah but the ftse is up.

Do you understand why?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Do you understand why?

Is it Cos I am a racist?