Another new Brexit thread

[Ancient Citizen]

And yet nobody is allowed to change their minds on how they voted in 2016. Strange double standards displayed, once again.

I wish I'd changed my mind many times, but referendums, especially when presented as 'Once in a lifetime'
decisions need to be considered before committing.

 

[Dribble]

What false claim?

That the leave campaign highlighted they were prepared to leave without a deal. Who said it, where & when.

 

[Metal Biker]

So because others are acting like bellends it's okay for you to do likewise? How old are you again?

It's a football forum, not a council meeting.

 

[Dribble]

What. Is. Your. Obssession. With. The. Nazis?

Just pointing out the comparisons. Scary innit?

 

[west didsblue]

What. Is. Your. Obssession. With. The. Nazis?

What's your obsession with full stops?

 

[Metal Biker]

Just pointing out the comparisons. Scary innit?

There are no comparisons, that's what's scary; your sensationalism.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Nailed it!

Just like Trump, Bonkers Boris will crawl in whatever direction the political wind is blowing in.

This isn't Johnson, this is a man so desperate to be PM, he'll do or say anything to fulfill his 'legacy', even changing his politics. Fleece-Smogg & his cronies promised Boris their support, as long as he executed their will.... Boris is just the far right's obedient poodle.

Also, why won't any Brexiteers explain why Fleece-Smogg is creating two new extensions of his investment company in the EU zone?

Also, why is Brexit supporting James Dyson moving his vacuum cleaner production line from the UK, to the far east? I'm sure he said Brexit would create better business & investment conditions for the UK?

Any Brexiteers want to have a stab at explaining these two Brexit anomalies?

And why is it that, despite all the noises, if the ERG chaps had supported the WA, we’d be out now? It’s not Brexity enough and when that rogues gallery are saying that it’s a worry for all the rest of us.

As for his latest plan: It only takes one disgruntled Conservative or DUP MP to vote against the Government and just about any legislation will be blocked. If the matter is a Confidence Vote, there will be a General Election, which, judging by the polls, the Conservatives would likely lose. Prorogation? A brilliant strategy, bound to work. Well done Boris. Of course, cunning fox that he is, he could be threatening prorogation so everyone will back down, like he thinks the EU will...

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I wish I'd changed my mind many times, but referendums, especially when presented as 'Once in a lifetime'
decisions need to be considered before committing.

And, outcome aside if you will, do you REALLY think that’s what happened?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

When Guido gives you ‘facts’ I would check the facts as well as doubting the source.

As well as the circumstances, which, even if you agree that Parliament was prorogued, are somewhat different to this.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

That the leave campaign highlighted they were prepared to leave without a deal. Who said it, where & when.

I just told you what Farage said, although not an official leave campaigner, I think he may have had some influence.
Why the obsession with campaign slogans, did you believe everything the remain campaign said?

 

[Dribble]

There are no comparisons, that's what's scary; your sensationalism.

Using minorities as a reason to change your constitution?

Undemocratically bypassing a parliament to push through your far right agenda?

There's two for a start.

Also, seeing as Brexit is about the UK regaining its sovereignty, what about Ireland's, Scotland's & Gibralter's sovereignty? Where dya stand on those?

I quite recall the Third Reich (Empire) having similar colonialist views... The same views Brexiteers are using against the EU, as our reason for leaving.

 

[BobKowalski]

I agree but the reason we are in this mess is because the MP's made it so.

This is checkmate and it is a checkmate brought about by Labour's dithering and a remain element in Parliament that quite simply cannot organise itself.

An election cannot stop the legislation for no deal which was overwhelmingly voted for. Any election would now take place in November so is pointless.

Funnily enough, I don't call Johnson's bluff and there is far more to this. I certainly think it is a pressure tool that he will try to use against the EU Parliament.

Anything positive from them and I think he will extend which will both deter an election and essentially deliver a better deal.

There is nothing left to pressure. The EU cannot back away from the deal they struck with the U.K. Govt (save cosmetic changes) unless Dublin agrees to back away. For the EU it makes long term sense to have a no deal Brexit then concede. There is no pressure on E27 Govts from domestic voters or domestic businesses to back away. There is no domestic pressure on the Dublin Govt to back away. It’s a Withdrawal Agreement and only covers three items so there is no ‘better deal’. I mean what sort of ‘deal’ do you think is better?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

And, outcome aside if you will, do you REALLY think that’s what happened?

Bit of a strange question, we we offered a once only referendum I voted in it and there was a result that favoured
my vote. Why, what else happened?

 

[Dribble]

And why is it that, despite all the noises, if the ERG chaps had supported the WA, we’d be out now? It’s not Brexity enough and when that rogues gallery are saying that it’s a worry for all the rest of us.

As for his latest plan: It only takes one disgruntled Conservative or DUP MP to vote against the Government and just about any legislation will be blocked. If the matter is a Confidence Vote, there will be a General Election, which, judging by the polls, the Conservatives would likely lose. Prorogation? A brilliant strategy, bound to work. Well done Boris. Of course, cunning fox that he is, he could be threatening prorogation so everyone will back down, like he thinks the EU will...

The EU must be sat stunned watching all this bollocks.

I'm still awaiting ONE Brexiteer to give me a compelling argument for leaving the EU, for something which is decidedly worse. #unfuckinbelievable

 

[Dribble]

I just told you what Farage said, although not an official leave campaigner, I think he may have had some influence.
Why the obsession with campaign slogans, did you believe everything the remain campaign said?

When & where did Farage say this? It's a simple enough question which has a bearing on a no deal Brexit.

I'll wait patiently whilst you look it up... Just gonna make a brew in the meantime.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I come from a council house background as well. This constant seeking to position Brexit to be something that is only for the rich is just another part of the narrative the Remainers push

I echo your views - and I think that sufficient millions of others will as well. Parliament has clearly shown that it has not the integrity to be representative of the electorate

Exactly. The thing is though is that we have a group of people in this country - remainers (not all) who think they know better then everyone else and look down on people with other views.

MPs in particular, despite voting for a referendum, triggering article 50, running on respecting the referendum have done everything to stop it.

We are getting to a point now where we just need to leave. We aren’t going to get a better dea and there’s little point staying in.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Bit of a strange question, we we offered a once only referendum I voted in it and there was a result that favoured
my vote. Why, what else happened?

I’m sure you know what I was asking but I’ll play along. Do you think that everyone “considered the decision” before committing?

 

[Dribble]

Bit of a strange question, we we offered a once only referendum I voted in it and there was a result that favoured
my vote. Why, what else happened?

Funny. I recall having one in 1975. Didn't stop Nazi Nige & his cronies campaigning to overturn that 'Once in a lifetime vote' though did it??? Mmmmm

Best of three?

 

[worsleyweb]

Not just ‘a man’ but the Speaker.

Also a country at war with itself, a Parliament at war with itself, a PM elected by 140,000 voters suspending Parliament voted for by the people. You reckon this is ending well for any of us?

Yes - we get out of Europe. Like the majority want and voted for.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Cometh the hour.....