Most definitely. You must be prepared and demonstrate that you will leave with no deal to get a decent deal. Let's be honest during Mays premiership our negotiations were pitiful. Not much more than Cameron's pathetic efforts. She wasted three years.
How do you not understand that some sectors can go up, if a report only shows negative results biased and useless.How do you not understand that some sectors are more affected than others?
No problem with any of it. Thats my point :-)A private citizen challenging the government is what happens in functioning democracies, I’m not entirely sure what your problem is with that
I am not saying it’s her fault. You said it is a process open to anyone and it isn’t.
Johnson wants to leave with a deal
Labour want to leave with a deal ( I think)
The eu want a deal
Hopefully forcing a real deadline not a soft floppy aunt sally deadline may mean we actually leave on the 31/10 with a deal
Parliament have spoken over and over for 3 years on this topic , we know what parliament thinks
They aren't prepared either! Do you really think the Germans and French are prepared to go into a recession because if the Irish backstop. Bizarre thoughts indeed.But we are not prepared. They know it and the UK know it - who, exactly is he trying to kid? If we do leave with no-deal we will be begging the EU for a trade deal to which their response will be ‘sure, pay what you owe and sign off on the backstop and we can talk then’
As it turns out, all we are doing is showing what a fucking mess we are on the chance the EU will sprinkle some colourful language on the WA so Johnson can sell it to the House
Taking back control, so much control.....
I understand what it takes to do business deals. Many on here clearly do not.What planet do you live on. Do you actually believe that? You will be coming out with ‘they need us more than we need them’ next. Laughable.
How do you not understand that some sectors can go up, if a report only shows negative results biased and useless.
Yep, dream on.
That's what happens when you put someone in charge of negotiating something they never wanted in the first place.?Wasted 3 years wanking it off because the fantasy stuff they sold was undeliverable.
Fucking "red lines"made it even worse.
It's interesting that this move comes on the heels of data that points to a global economic slowdown.
Gambling that our friends in the e.u will soften up a little bit to prevent it becoming even worse for us all, and frightening the hoc into passing a "deal" ?
Some folk seek only the confirmation bias of their own echo chambers. I wouldn't deny them this anymore than I'd deny a child their favourite cuddly toy.How do you not understand that some sectors can go up, if a report only shows negative results biased and useless.
They aren't prepared either! Do you really think the Germans and French are prepared to go into a recession because if the Irish backstop. Bizarre thoughts indeed.
I am not saying it’s her fault. You said it is a process open to anyone and it isn’t.
Johnson wants to leave with a deal
Labour want to leave with a deal ( I think)
The eu want a deal
Hopefully forcing a real deadline not a soft floppy aunt sally deadline may mean we actually leave on the 31/10 with a deal
Parliament have spoken over and over for 3 years on this topic , we know what parliament thinks
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Agree to disagree on the root causes.
Can't be arsed going round in circles.
My point was it’s available to private citizens and a private citizens actions are not comparable to a Prime Minister
Re a ‘deal’ - The EU’s position is there is a deal on the table and until the UK come up with something realistic and immediately workable then that is it and it’s pretty hard to disagree with them
How do you not understand that some sectors can go up, if a report only shows negative results biased and useless.
Well then tell that to all those MPs who met up yesterday to block no deal. Tell them to vote for the only deal on the table the eu will give us and we leave with a deal.
So you don’t think we should look at the bigger picture, carry on.I mean you’re massively oversimplifying the reasons why certain sectors struggle when the landscape changes over others. If investment is moved from the UK to elsewhere following a vote to leave the largest free trading bloc in the world, that will create job losses. At the same time a company in another sector could have had a record quarter and grow.
The whole blame game is a totally futile exercise IMO.Yes, I do. They value members and the Single Market more than jobs. If they give up the SM, they have nothing
But putting that to one side. They didn’t vote for a recession and if we go out with no-deal, that is likely to happen to us, now that is bizarre. The EU can sell this to its members as the UK’s fault - no one is buying it’s the EU’s fault. No-deal is not the end point for the UK, it’s the starting point but we will be starting neck deep in shit and the only way to get out of the shit would be to agree with what’s on the table now
But like I said, I think Johnson will sprinkle glitter on the turd and pass it but as a country we are a laughing stock.
Whilst I agree that is probably the best course of action now, the trouble is those MPs will be voting to make the country worse off. We will become a rule-take not a rule-make.
It is very hard for MPs, particularly those in Opposition, to vote through a Government policy which makes the country worse off