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blueinsa said:
Yeah proroguing parliament has never been done before...ever...
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You know when the remainers told us that before the referendum they did their homework, looked into the detail and were fully clued up experts even on all things EU and the damage leaving the EU would cause? How democratic the EU really is? how Brussels operate? The inner workings of the system?

They didn’t google as they went along, no no they did their research.

Wonder why before they voted in a general election they didn’t do the same. Wonder why some support parties that have no desire to change our shite system. I wonder why the shenanigans that the system produces seems okay with them until this happens.

I wonder what the reason could be. And I’m sure if a deal goes through or remain shenanigans means they get their way come the next election they will not vote for the status quo anymore.

Yes I’m sure that’s what will happen.
 
smudgedj said:
Corbyn? Who would overthrow the elected government and demands to be made PM without any elections.
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The despotic narcissist demagogue is PM without an election.

You cannot demand to be made PM you have to the support of a majority of parliamentarians and then be approved by the monarch. Under the Fixed term Parliament act, Johnson can ignore a vote of no confidence which used to normally be a resigning point.
 
Vic said:
What? The deal that we'd be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?
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We will never know will we Vic.

You laud the way the EU has approached negotiations yet demand something that approach never allowed regardless of who was leading them on our behalf.
 
Rascal said:
The despotic narcissist demagogue is PM without an election.

You cannot demand to be made PM you have to the support of a majority of parliamentarians and then be approved by the monarch. Under the Fixed term Parliament act, Johnson can ignore a vote of no confidence which used to normally be a resigning point.
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He is asking you about Corbyn demanding he is PM.
 
Ric said:
Has it ever been done to deliberately stifle debate at a time of national crisis before?
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What debate?

Remain MP's have met publicly to plan and play their games, use the rules, go through the law courts and tell us constantly that they will get what they want and its been fine.

The other side says ok, lets play the games and use the rules and its all not fair and a disgrace?

Had parliament done its job we wouldn't even be discussing this but no, 3 years of party politics and people reneging on promises made has led us to this juncture.
 
blueinsa said:
Off you pop then and make sure you only see content you agree with rasc.
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He has me on ignore so he knows what the ignore button does, it’s a recurring theme, act all self righteous, people disagree with him, blocks people, says the forum is over run with right wing nut jobs ie everyone to the right of him, then flounces off for a while.
 
blueinsa said:
What debate?

Remain MP's have met publicly to plan and play their games, use the rules, go through the law courts and tell us constantly that they will get what they want and its been fine.

The other side says ok, lets play the games and use the rules and its all not fair and a disgrace?

Had parliament done its job we wouldn't even be discussing this but no, 3 years of party politics and people reneging on promises made has led us to this juncture.
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Thanks for the reply, although it didn’t actually answer the question.
 
Ric said:
Thanks for the reply, although it didn’t actually answer the question.
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Why didn't it?

You said stop debate and i said what debate?

Is it a debate now to lock yourself away in a room with like minded people to plot?

No deal MP's have no intention of stopping no deal. If they did they would have voted for the only deal on offer yes?

They want to stop brexit altogether and will use any rule, any judge, any court to try and get their way.

The PM has played them at their own game because he has promised we will leave on the 31st Oct.
 
Ric said:
If you think it won’t make much difference, why exactly do you think he’s done it? Genuine question btw.
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As a guess it’s a simple tactic as much for the EU as our own MPs, the only way around all this is a deal. But we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Remember we do have a pretty good joker card to play.

It must be frustrating hoping people can read between the lines but they don’t and keep fucking everything up.

That or he’s a complete tool.
 
hilts said:
As a guess it’s a simple tactic as much for the EU as our own MPs, the only way around all this is a deal. But we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Remember we do have a pretty good joker card to play.

It must be frustrating hoping people can read between the lines but they don’t and keep fucking everything up.

That or he’s a complete tool.
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I don’t think the latter is in any doubt.
 
blueinsa said:
Why didn't it?

You said stop debate and i said what debate?

Is it a debate now to lock yourself away in a room with like minded people to plot?

No deal MP's have no intention of stopping no deal. If they did they would have voted for the only deal on offer yes?

They want to stop brexit altogether and will use any rule, any judge, any court to try and get their way.

The PM has played them at their own game because he has promised we will leave on the 31st Oct.
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If you insist on being pedantic then I’ll rephrase it. Has any PM prorogued Parliament at a time of national crisis? Again, this is a genuine question. I’m not that well versed on the history of it.
 
Ric said:
Has it ever been done to deliberately stifle debate at a time of national crisis before?
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I am not sure if it was exactly the same, but Cromwell it could be argued did similar with the rump parliament.He used a single parliamentary meeting and a council of state to rule almost like a Supreme Monarch.So in effect he bypassed the legislature like Johnson is trying to do. He announced himself Lord Protector then invaded Ireland and enforced military rule across the nation. When a leader has to much power it becomes dangerous.

As far as I am aware it was not used during either World War although it is normal to use it to end a parliamentary session. The timing of this one is very questionable and downright underhand to be more exact.
 
Ric said:
I don’t think the latter is in any doubt.
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Maybe but from his own perspective, and we know Boris is very self interested, if he pulls off a deal before the 31st Oct he will look like the dogs bollocks. As soon as he became PM he must have known he will survive or die on Brexit alone just like May. Unfortunately he can’t tell everyone this is what he is up to, a classic catch 22. So the more the dumbasses try and stop no deal the more he needs to signal he will try and see it through. I don’t think he actually wants us out at all.

I think the likely outcome is

Deal(if people shut the fuck up but no chance of that)
Extension if he could sell it
Revoke last minute








No deal
 
Ric said:
If you insist on being pedantic then I’ll rephrase it. Has any PM prorogued Parliament at a time of national crisis? Again, this is a genuine question. I’m not that well versed on the history of it.
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The answer is no but then the last 3 years has seen lots of MP's and parties doing things barely ever seen before.

Pedantry will always meet sarcasm.

Drop yours and i might do the same.

Your opening line tonight was something about the right on here being giddy.

That's your own conformation bias for all to see.

Its a constant theme with remain voters and supporters, thinking they know it all.
 
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