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mcfc1632 said:
Yes the rise of the far right is happening across the Eu28 - not just the UK

Do you not think that the EU may be a cause for this - and the solution of the ideologues?

Accelerate integration before the project can be derailed

I accept that is what you would prefer - but no thanks - not for me
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There is no chance of my option ever happening sadly, the EU will not countenance any chance of a Socialist Europe, it will be counter to their neo-liberal agenda.

That is one of the reasons I am comfortable with leaving, the status quo is simply untenable because the tentacles of neo-liberalism are all pervasive. I know the gamble is that by leaving we may get more of the disastrous stuff, the Tory idealogues insist on it but there is hope that the EU eats them and they are out of power for a generation. If we are out and they collapse then the promised land is in sight.
 
Blue Hefner said:
They won't vote of anything now. They can see 'no deal' is close(or so they believe). If it comes to it, I think Johnson will blink. The only possible way he could sell to the people that no-deal was the EU's fault was if he made a counter offer which was, at least in his mind, reasonable and it was rejected - no such proposal has been made yet
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Yes it has - the (unfettered) backstop must be removed - that can never be acceptable to anyone that has the UK's interests as a priority

The EU has already 'won' the negotiations - they were always going to when May accepted their 'order' of things

Any deal agreed will be a deal worse than it needed to be because of her incompetence.

Yes there will be 'bumps along the road' but we will recover and we will have the latitude to implement our own policies free of restrictions, such as state aid rules, to manage that recovery - but the backstop is a poison that must not be swallowed as there is no cure for it
 
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Rascal said:
There is no chance of my option ever happening sadly, the EU will not countenance any chance of a Socialist Europe, it will be counter to their neo-liberal agenda.

That is one of the reasons I am comfortable with leaving, the status quo is simply untenable because the tentacles of neo-liberalism are all pervasive. I know the gamble is that by leaving we may get more of the disastrous stuff, the Tory idealogues insist on it but there is hope that the EU eats them and they are out of power for a generation. If we are out and they collapse then the promised land is in sight.
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If we no deal and leave, we are far more likely to end up with a hard right Tory government,imo.

The potential further damage that will cause to the working classes as they push their unbridled capitalist "fixes",to problems of their own making,may be too much for any subsequent Labour government to reverse.
History proves this.

If gambling and hoping for the best is all we've got we're in trouble.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
All of the countries who pay into the EU I suppose.
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One of which is the UK and we pay in more than we get out. Be good to have the control of how to spend our own money rather than be directed by the EU as part of a process in which they act with largesse to further build their 'benevolent brand'
 
lust overlord said:
If we no deal and leave, we are far more likely to end up with a hard right Tory government,imo.

The potential further damage that will cause to the working classes as they push their unbridled capitalist "fixes",to problems of their own making,may be too much for any subsequent Labour government to reverse.
History proves this.

If gambling and hoping for the best is all we've got we're in trouble.
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I cant disagree with that, there is an inherent danger of a far right government, the thing is though, the people did vote for it. So as a democrat I have to suck it up and pray it aint as bad as I fear.
 
Vic said:
Weird.





Ok from our contributions, but I doubt Maesteg would have got it direct from the British government.
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Why weird? It is clearly factual

And - re the 2nd point - just your opinion and you may prefer to have the EU acting as a nanny supervisor over the UK but the majority of us thankfully held a different view
 
BobKowalski said:
Quite easy to explain. I’m not a socialist. I’m only a ‘lefty’ in the sense I can’t stand the reactionary shite that is posted on here. And Conservatives. Can’t stand them either. Also old people who moan about political correctness and complain you can’t say what you think these days. Yet when I tell them they are boring cunts they get very offended, like why? I’m just saying what I think. Bigots I hate too. Right wing bigots, left wing bigots, old bigots, young bigots, it’s the sheer fucking tedium of bigots that gets me every time.

Come to think of it I pretty much hate people.
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I like dogs.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Why do you continually think that the GFA is some "weapon" the EU keep throwing up to be awkward?

Its an actual thing that needs sorted first....its an agreement ratified by the UK and Irish governments...and should be decided/implemented/discussed as such. You seem to want to ignore it.....honestly, why should it be ignored? If the EU are mentioning it its a reminder that it exists and has to be dealt with.
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I recognise what the GFA is

I recognise that the GFA is very important and needs great care and sensitivity

I recognise what the prevailing conditions were when it was established and how those conditions are about to change

I am confident that Ireland and the UK would/could have undertaken calm diplomacy and joint actions to ensure that processes and workarounds could be designed and amendments could be agreed to ensure smooth cross-border movements and mitigated the risks we hear so much about

I am certain that the EU weaponised the issue for opportunistic reasons

If you genuinely believe that their actions reflect only altruism then I suggest that you should join me in a joint hunt for that pot of gold
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
BBC Breakfast this morning ..... Brits who live in Spain now regretting voting Leave because of fears they will lose access to the Spanish health system.




YCMIU......... I can't breathe.
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Actually that was an anecdotal comment from one interviewee (that I saw). It wasn't a BBC report suggesting it or giving any facts or numbers behind it.

I think people live in 'the now' and don't plan for the future. It's sad that many of those interviewed were suffering illnesses and were worried about the cost of medicines etc, and I would hope/expect any future British government to help them out, but agreements between countries are only ever temporary, regardless of how permanent they feel, and they should have taken steps to protect themselves.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
BBC Breakfast this morning ..... Brits who live in Spain now regretting voting Leave because of fears they will lose access to the Spanish health system.




YCMIU......... I can't breathe.
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Its been quite a while since the ex pats got rolled out.

Hopefully we get treated to a shut down of the airspace again this afternoon as its been quite a while for that one as well.
 
blueinsa said:
Its been quite a while since the ex pats got rolled out.

Hopefully we get treated to a shut down of the airspace again this afternoon as its been quite a while for that one as well.
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It's hard to sympathise when I'm getting ready for work in the dismal Manchester light and they're sat moaning having a cooked breakfast in t-shirts and shorts overlooking the sandy beach, with eff all to do for the rest of the day.
 
urban genie said:
It's simple really, at the time of the referendum we had in power a tory government run by bastards who hate the lower classes
The employment rights we have as a member of the EU plus certain other rights would probably dissapear if we left, and I fully expect a johnson goveenment to fuck over the populace once no deal happens.

So a choice vote remain to stay in a system you don't particulary want to as it is far from socialist
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Vote leave and be fucked over even more by this breed or tory cunts

Remain was the lesser of two evils at the time, if labour had been in government I would have voted leave
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Nailed it.
 
blueinsa said:
Its been quite a while since the ex pats got rolled out.

Hopefully we get treated to a shut down of the airspace again this afternoon as its been quite a while for that one as well.
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'Ex pats' sounds oh so colonial.
PS If it all goes to rat shit i.e. no WA deal, no mini deals,no money (39bn +) ,no nothing, are flights still guaranteed? You seem to know so don't be coy, please enlighten us.
 
lust overlord said:
I understand why there is a marriage of convenience between the left leavers and the likes of farage,ids,mogg etc,it's a means to an end.

What I struggle with lefty leavers is,what happens when they get their wish,do they honestly think it'll turn out well?

We've already had a taste of what is to come.

It's the scorpion and the frog tale,with the difference being,the frog gets all the way across the river.
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I share your concerns, but think it boils down to whether you see the EU as force for good or an abusive partner. I think the later, and equate the risk/pain of leaving with that of someone bailing out of an abusive relationship who is risking financial ruin to do so.
 
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