Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

Bang on. Rees Mogg emphasised that's the only Advice (capital A) that the Queen can take (even if he has no majority). He sent just three ministers to Balmoral - it seems not even all the cabinet knew.

Thank fuck

At least Boris seems to be able to command some control over leaks.

If this had been a year ago - Beth Rigby would have received the news live on air whilst Cabinet was still in session

 

[blueinsa]

Its no good saying the GDP of the EU is x.....

Its no good saying the EU dont care.....

Its no good saying the EU are not as desperate as us or dependant.....

The EU isn't a federal country, its made up of member states and some of them haven't a pot to piss in, some just about get by and but for the funding received from us, France and Germany the whole thing wouldn't exist.

This isnt 27 versus 1 because we, the 1 are as big as the smallest 19 put together when it comes to GDP and it isnt 27 versus 1 because the French and German electorates will not dig any deeper into their pockets to come up with what we will no longer be putting in.

A deal will be done at the 11th hour, both sides will claim victory, both will shout told you so and everyone will get on with their lives.

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh no not the border!!!!! We will just have to finish hadrians work for him . Jobs a good un.

I have been expecting to be challenged on my prediction that if an Indyref happens 3 years or more after the UK leave the EU then Scotland will vote no - probably by an increased majority

Perhaps some of the Remainers are starting to think things through?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Its no good saying the GDP of the EU is x.....

Its no good saying the EU dont care.....

Its no good saying the EU are not as desperate as us or dependant.....

The EU isn't a federal country, its made up of member states and some of them haven't a pot to piss in, some just about get by and but for the funding received from us, France and Germany the whole thing wouldn't exist.

This isnt 27 versus 1 because we, the 1 are as big as the smallest 19 put together when it comes to GDP and it isnt 27 versus 1 because the French and German electorates will not dig any deeper into their pockets to come up with what we will no longer be putting in.

A deal will be done at the 11th hour, both sides will claim victory, both will shout told you so and everyone will get on with their lives.

And the fact that the biggest two, have between 3 and 10 times LESS trade at risk than we do, means nothing to you I presume. The inconvenient truth which buggers up your entire argument, but never mind eh.

Your final sentence however, may just be correct. We'll see.

 

[hilts]

The DUP never wanted it.

Never said they did. Look at the whole here and the stupidity of the situation. I’ve said this before if we started from scratch no one would think the current set up of the EU or U.K. was anything but stupidity. It literally makes no sense whatsoever. The whole thing needs a reset. You can’t get that or even have a discussion about it if people play silly little games. The EU, brexit and the GFA are being used as weapons on all sides for self interested reasons.

If we are to believe that most don’t want a no deal that would only leave one option, revoke. Why are a majority of MPs who are remainers themselves just not revoking it? The only deal that has come forward is frankly not a deal at all. So after 3 years we are in the same position.

If you join a union then you should go with what the majority of that union wants. But everyone Including ourselves want to take the piss. Forget the past and as a country decide and make the best of it. If your individual opinion is in the minority that’s just too bad.

All this devolution and countries arsing about by being in or partly in the EU or in the U.K. was always going to cause problems. I don’t even agree with veto’s nor do I agree with the EU tip toeing towards federalism because they haven’t got the balls to ask it’s citizens.

Define your borders, give everyone a say(no fptp thank you very much) and stand by your decisions.

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh a couple of cameras, trusted trader schemes, alternative arrangements. Piece of piss apparently.

Ha - try answering with seriousness rather than flippancy and let''s see if the Remain cadre can actually reason, analyse and debate

 

[Metal Biker]

Its no good saying the GDP of the EU is x.....

Its no good saying the EU dont care.....

Its no good saying the EU are not as desperate as us or dependant.....

The EU isn't a federal country, its made up of member states and some of them haven't a pot to piss in, some just about get by and but for the funding received from us, France and Germany the whole thing wouldn't exist.

This isnt 27 versus 1 because we, the 1 are as big as the smallest 19 put together when it comes to GDP and it isnt 27 versus 1 because the French and German electorates will not dig any deeper into their pockets to come up with what we will no longer be putting in.

A deal will be done at the 11th hour, both sides will claim victory, both will shout told you so and everyone will get on with their lives.

With any luck.

 

[mcfc1632]

Yeah minutes of the first meeting.

Eu :so Scotland if you want to join the eu , it will cost you 20 billion a year

SNP :oh hang on we were expecting money from you

Eu, : no sorry it doesn’t work like that

Snp. : But in the uk we have this formula which means we get massively subsidised by the rest of the uk

Eu : well I am afraid we won’t be doing that

Snp : quick get Boris on the phone and send a bunch of flowers around to balmoral,

Oh - it will be much harder than that

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

The Queen wouldn't be at Balmoral. Why would the Scots want the Monarch of another country to be in their country? Unless she was seeking asylum of course then she would be within her rights to be in the Country just not at Balmoral. She could be at the holding centre with all the other asylum seekers though.

Its a joke.

Lighten up it’s weekend

 

[hilts]

It's not even remotely strange.

The EU has been very clear all along that it would like a deal and that a deal would be beneficial for both sides. What they do not want is a deal which is bad for the EU, one which allows the UK to cherry pick the benefits of membership whilst walking away from the responsibilities and obligations. And neither are they as desperate, nor would be as up shit creek as we would be if we don't get one. Hardly surprising when you consider the % of their GDP exported to us, vs the other way around.

It's really not hard to understand this.

It’s pretty simple then we leave on the 31st Oct and they needn’t do anything, they can take the phone off the hook and be glad they know where they are going to be. In the real world they do care theyre just better at this game than us. And when I say us I mean you lot.

 

[mcfc1632]

Agree, but my point is aimed at those who thought the Queen was ever going to say differently.

Seriously - there was not any chance she could say differently

People suggesting otherwise are either just being hypothetical or wishful

 

[daztrueblue91]

One of which is the UK and we pay in more than we get out. Be good to have the control of how to spend our own money rather than be directed by the EU as part of a process in which they act with largesse to further build their 'benevolent brand'

Lazy argument

 

[Len Rum]

Strange action of someone who holds all the cards and wouldn’t mind too much if we sodded off

Not really, might be trying to avoid the blame game.
They make an offer to extend.
Der fiffel rejects it and crashes the country out 'do or die' on 31st October.
When it's all going horribly wrong Dil foffel can't blame the EU as they offered him an extension.
Nice one.

 

[hilts]

Not really, might be trying to avoid the blame game.
They make an offer to extend.
Der fiffel rejects it and crashes the country out 'do or die' on 31st October.
When it's all going horribly wrong Dil foffel can't blame the EU as they offered him an extension.
Nice one.

Blame game by who? Who actually outside of the U.K. would blame the EU.?

 

[Chippy_boy]

It’s pretty simple then we leave on the 31st Oct and they needn’t do anything, they can take the phone off the hook and be glad they know where they are going to be. In the real world they do care theyre just better at this game than us. And when I say us I mean you lot.

Jesus can you not read?

I just said "The EU has been very clear all along that it would like a deal" and this is your reply??? Bizarre.

 

[mcfc1632]

The Queen wouldn't be at Balmoral. Why would the Scots want the Monarch of another country to be in their country? Unless she was seeking asylum of course then she would be within her rights to be in the Country just not at Balmoral. She could be at the holding centre with all the other asylum seekers though.

Fuck

Should there have been a ;-)

At the end of that?

 

[hilts]

Jesus can you not read?

I just said "The EU has been very clear all along that it would like a deal" and this is your reply??? Bizarre.

But just not desperate more generally apathetic or slightly concerned. Maybe they are bothered enough to alter the deal a little? As you’re in the know maybe you can tell us. Although you do seem desperate to make out their hand is much stronger than ours.

Yeah I think your bias prevents me from taking your views seriously, sorry.

 

[west didsblue]

Just heard on the radio about Johnson
“At least he’s doing something
It might not be the right thing
But at least he’s doing something
And that’s what’s needed”
With attitudes like that no wonder we’re fucked.

 

[BobKowalski]

Our Brexit Sec getting into a spat with Andrew Neil. On a more serious note seems we are all over France at the moment and Brussels is cocking a deaf ‘un.

‘Of course we all know there's an issue with cross-Channel traffic. That's why we're engaging, myself in Paris on Wed, @michaelgove in Calais today. But right now the Commission is refusing to discuss no-deal mitigations. We should have those talks now alongside talks on a deal’

 

[BobKowalski]

Just heard on the radio about Johnson
“At least he’s doing something
It might not be the right thing
But at least he’s doing something
And that’s what’s needed”
With attitudes like that no wonder we’re fucked.

Personally I would prefer he do the right thing but clearly I’m a bit picky.