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I have a feeling Johnson will try and get may's deal through parliament, with some change's to the backstop.

A last resort to no deal, but neither in nor out.

Would he get it through?
 
I have a feeling Johnson will try and get may's deal through parliament, with some change's to the backstop.

A last resort to no deal, but neither in nor out.

Would he get it through?

It will absolutely be a reworked version and with days to go, the no deal side of the house will have to decide just how much no deal they really are or they will have to come out of the closet and tell everyone they have just been anti brexit all along and have also been lying through their teeth.

Boris might be a **** but he isn't a fool and is playing this out superbly imo.
 
I don't know how many times this needs saying, but there is a reciprocal agreement with Spain.
The BMA report looks like it was from before this, and is still conjecture, in any case it's irrelevant,
deal or no deal, stick or twist, your place or mine, an agreement has been reached.
Until 2020. And there are 26 other countries.
 
For one year in one country. That’s ok then. You probably should read pages 6 and 7 of the article I linked if you want the full picture.

My guess and hey, its just a guess much like the BMA article because they also dont have a single clue as to what the future arrangements will be is that fuck all will change and reciprocal arrangements will be made for the ex pats in the EU and the double amount living and working here.
 
That's only true if you believe that there isn't a technological solution on the horizon. Is that all bluff or lies?
I'd be quite happy to put the border down the Irish sea. I'm sure there are solutions but you have to look at your own parliament and how you get them passed.
Stop them telling lies for a start and they might be taken seriously.
For me - it seems a straight forward position and everyone should be happy - unless they are simply playing politics

The current deal gets signed off after the WA has been changed to a time-limited backstop - an unfettered one is wholly unacceptable. The backstop should apply for only a maximum of 1 year after the transition period - which should be capped off at 2 years.

Should there be agreement that the backstop is still needed - then the Irish Sea Border comes into effect - providing N.I. the best of both worlds - but I recognise the 'identity issues/sensitivities'.

There should be a strict time-limit on this backstop period - say further 2 years during which N.I. hold a referendum on whether they wish to remain part of the UK - with a border in the Irish Sea until 'issues are resolved (spoiler - they will not be that insurmountable if the backstop does not keep the rest of the UK shackled) - or become part of a united Ireland

Not rocket science
 
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Until 2020. And there are 26 other countries.

There are and every single citizen of those countries can visit the UK still, even get a visa to work and live here if they so wish and qualify and get treatment from the NHS.

Imagine that?

I will hazard a guess that the same will apply to UK citizens in those 26 countries.
 
I will remind you of your facts when the planes are still flying Len ;-)

Why are you asking me? Its a football forum Len, we are all City fans so why you feel asking questions like what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU i have no idea given that we haven't left the EU yet, certainly haven't left with no deal and until such a time we have and governments both here and in the EU have declared their policies then no one knows, your good self included.

Should we wait for all of that to come to pass or shall we play your game of you posing hypothetical questions that simply dont have answers as of yet?

I know for a fact that Spain and we are talking Spain have guaranteed medical and pension rights up until 2020 by decree so see no reason why given the importance to their economy the ex pat ( i know you hate that phrase) community brings that wont be extended in the exact same way we as a nation treats citizens from all over the world when they are in need.

That is as far as i am aware is the situation as of now.

The future.......who knows and that im afraid Len includes you.

759 pages and counting on the 3rd or 4th Brexit thread now rendered irrelevant because this is a football forum and we are all City fans.
 
I will remind you of your facts when the planes are still flying Len ;-)

Why are you asking me? Its a football forum Len, we are all City fans so why you feel asking questions like what are the arrangements post no deal brexit for UK citizens healthcare in the EU i have no idea given that we haven't left the EU yet, certainly haven't left with no deal and until such a time we have and governments both here and in the EU have declared their policies then no one knows, your good self included.

Should we wait for all of that to come to pass or shall we play your game of you posing hypothetical questions that simply dont have answers as of yet?

I know for a fact that Spain and we are talking Spain have guaranteed medical and pension rights up until 2020 by decree so see no reason why given the importance to their economy the ex pat ( i know you hate that phrase) community brings that wont be extended in the exact same way we as a nation treats citizens from all over the world when they are in need.

That is as far as i am aware is the situation as of now.

The future.......who knows and that im afraid Len includes you.
I understand - your view is that notwithstanding the fact that no agreements are yet in place, after a no deal brexit planes will fly and reciprocal healthcare arrangements will continue because it makes sense and not to do so would be unthinkable.
My view is that planes will continue to fly for the remaining five months of the roll over agreement from 31 March but beyond this will be subject to negotiation depending on the payment of the 39bn plus. Reciprocal healthcare arrangements will definitely cease as this is entirely dependent on EU membership.
 
My guess and hey, its just a guess much like the BMA article because they also dont have a single clue as to what the future arrangements will be is that fuck all will change and reciprocal arrangements will be made for the ex pats in the EU and the double amount living and working here.
Back to guessing are we?

If I was an 80 year old living abroad I think I’d want a bit more reassurance than someone guessing it will all be fine. Something like a deal with the EU might help.
 
You haven’t thought it through have you. Elderly retired people living in the EU may be forced to come back to the UK if they can’t access free healthcare where they are.
I did think of that - they are quite entitled to do so and many retired ex pats end up back here once they reach end of life palliative care stage anyway.
 
I did think of that - they are quite entitled to do so and many retired ex pats end up back here once they reach end of life palliative care stage anyway.
Yes they do but not when their every day health needs start increasing with age. There’s a good chance they’ll be back 10 years earlier than they otherwise would.
 
Until 2020. And there are 26 other countries.
Do you honestly think Spain, which is probably the home of most expats, is suddenly, some time after Brexit,
going to immediately rescind reciprocation? Why, just to be awkward cunts? What do they gain from it?
The same goes for other areas of the EU, what is to be gained?
 
I understand - your view is that notwithstanding the fact that no agreements are yet in place, after a no deal brexit planes will fly and reciprocal healthcare arrangements will continue because it makes sense and not to do so would be unthinkable.
My view is that planes will continue to fly for the remaining five months of the roll over agreement from 31 March but beyond this will be subject to negotiation depending on the payment of the 39bn plus. Reciprocal healthcare arrangements will definitely cease as this is entirely dependent on EU membership.

So 3 million EU citizens living and working in the UK wont have access to the NHS because reciprocal healthcare arrangements have ended and are entirely dependant on EU membership?

Ok Len, we can come back to this as well as the planes in the future, post brexit world.
 
You've contributed quite a lot to this debate and haven't been short of an opinion. Why the sudden reticence to answer a question?

I did if you read my post.

Im not in a position to answer a question that as of yet doesnt have an answer.

We can all play project fear and guess but it isnt helping anyone nor the debate.

Re Spain by royal decree rights have been guaranteed until 2020, even in the event of a no deal brexit.

Past that and until government here and anywhere else announces what deals they have done who the fuck knows?
 
Do you honestly think Spain, which is probably the home of most expats, is suddenly, some time after Brexit,
going to immediately rescind reciprocation? Why, just to be awkward cunts? What do they gain from it?
The same goes for other areas of the EU, what is to be gained?
I can tell you exactly what is to be gained from these assumptions - convenient 'evidence' to support zombie apocalypse scenarios.
 
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