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mcfc1632 said:
Give over - some faux outrage right there

Two simple facts...…

1. Yes - if this forum is anything to go by - Remainers have been OTT in the gratuitous way they label and insult Leavers

2. What has been happening at Westminster over the last 3 years has absolutely undermined the UK's negotiating position with the EU

Two simple facts that cannot be squirmed away from
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1/ I think that is a bit unfair, I see insults from both sides, passions have run high and I expect them to be ratcheted up to fever pitch over the coming days. When an issue is so evenly split based on a form of democracy we have no experience of, I am not surprised that both sides have at times been approaching vicious in their rhetoric. It saddens me, because it harms democracy.

2/ Hard to disagree, but difficult to quantify. If anything the approach was wrong, we were arrogant and based our negotiating position on assumptions. I believe the EU have been quite clear in their stance, the UK has been amateurish.

If we had just left, without the deal nonsense, then the last three years could have been spent far more productively.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Or maybe he's just dumping money in the safest long term place there is - land. Still a sign that he expects rough times ahead, but maybe hes not actually planning to become the darth vader of farming? If he were there are probably larger, cheaper tracts of land elsewhere.
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Brexiteer James Dyson, who owns more land than the Queen, warns government not to slash farm subsidies
James Dyson- billionaire, Brexiteer and inventor- has warned the Government not to cut farming subsidies after Brexit. The Common Agricultural Policy rewards size of land-holding, so why wouldn’t he? If he bungs a few Spuds in the ground he can exempt it from inheritance tax as well.
 
cibaman said:
I think it’s more because it would be difficult to force Johnson out in time, there’s obviously disagreement over who would be interim PM, and a failed attempt to become PM might look bad for Corbyn once the election is eventually called.
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At the risk of sounding like an admirer of Johnson - I have been clear about my views - it must be so galling and frustrating for the Remain cadre to be facing off against a government that has some steel and capable of acting with assertiveness
 
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Brexiteer James Dyson, who owns more land than the Queen, warns government not to slash farm subsidies
James Dyson- billionaire, Brexiteer and inventor- has warned the Government not to cut farming subsidies after Brexit. The Common Agricultural Policy rewards size of land-holding, so why wouldn’t he? If he bungs a few Spuds in the ground he can exempt it from inheritance tax as well.
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He is a bit of a ****.
 
London’s outsized role in the global insurance industry is being whittled down by Brexit.

As much as 61 billion pounds ($75 billion) of business is shifting to rival financial centers in the European Union as a consequence of Britain’s vote to leave the bloc. And it’s happening regardless of the divorce terms.

The EU’s insurance and pensions regulator has ordered every U.K.-based underwriter to transfer policies held by European clients to units on the continent. While the bulk of those total liabilities -- the potential payout of all the policies, an industry gauge of scale -- has moved or is moving to Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland and elsewhere, about 5 billion pounds will still be in Britain if Brexit happens Oct. 31, according to the Bank of England’s Financial Stability Report in July.
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More great news
 
aguero93:20 said:
You say the UK are offering a workable deal. I wonder why they've suspended the only body capable of passing that deal.
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We know a number of the reasons why parliament has been prorogued - none of them are related to/impacted by the prospect of a revised deal being brought before parliament - you are, IMO, just displaying again your frustrations at anything that could be positive towards a Brexit outcome that improves the position for the UK

Re negotiations - the process is clearly one in which the two negotiating groups seek agreement which they then take back to their governance functions for consideration - so no need for parliament to be sitting at the moment because....

The UK's representatives have signalled that they would be willing to resume negotiations based on a deal structure that sensibly removes the unfettered backstop - the rules should see the EU come back and engage but instead they just make public statements that they are not going to. The (real) reason cannot be due to them clinging to the May WA - because that deal has no standing having been rejected 3 times. The (genuine) real reason is that, before they recommence negotiations with the UK, they will wish to wait and see if their acolytes can be successful in undermining either/or both the UK's decision to leave the EU or hamstring the UK's negotiating team's positions through the removal of the no-deal option.

Should (I think that it is unlikely) the UK government get through this next week without the 'rebel alliance' being successful and then the EU find themselves genuinely facing the prospect of the UK leaving with no-deal at the end of October we will then see if the EU are indeed willing to compromise. If they are then there is time for a revised deal to be negotiated and - if acceptable - presented to parliament in good time - the shortness of time will be helpful in focussing minds.

It has been true for years that we will not see the movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable no-deal option and the political will to use it - it will be good to have the opportunity to see what happens
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Brexiteer James Dyson, who owns more land than the Queen, warns government not to slash farm subsidies
James Dyson- billionaire, Brexiteer and inventor- has warned the Government not to cut farming subsidies after Brexit. The Common Agricultural Policy rewards size of land-holding, so why wouldn’t he? If he bungs a few Spuds in the ground he can exempt it from inheritance tax as well.
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Fair enough, he is indeed the darth vader of agriculture. I wonder if this is the new tax break for the rich since the forestry loop hole got stopped.
 
BobKowalski said:
Latest on the Rebel Alliance. Not entirely sure confirming that the Govt has no official majority is the best move before it suspends Parliament because it -er- has no working majority.

‘Confirmed: No10 has decided Philip Hammond, David Gauke, Dominic Grieve and co will have the Conservative whip withdrawn if they do not vote with the government on Tuesday’
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Not sure that has been confirmed - but fuck I hope it is the case

All those mentioned and others have demonstrated that they are untrustworthy because they campaigned for a clear manifesto and then turned coat and placed their personal preferences ahead of the party position that they had agreed to

That would mean that they are just using the Conservative Party as a flag of convenience - just why the fuck would the Conservative, or indeed any party, tolerate that. They should fuck off and join Chukka - certainly the Conservative party should fuck them off

All this faux outrage is just Remainer reaction to seeing some long-needed steel after the empty suit that May was.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think Grieve definitely won't. Not sure about any of the others. By the law of averages, some might be ready to hang their boots up anyway, or realise the game, for them, is nearly up; that will have a bearing on their disposition towards any voting.
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I hope Grieve does hang himself to dry and is removed as a Conservative candidate - hate seeing the smug twat's face and hearing his condescending voice - apart from that recent clip when he sounded broken
 
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