Another new Brexit thread

[Blue Hefner]

I think he's alright.

He seems to be one of the few who is given airtime that actually knows what he is talking about. Also see ‘condescending’ and words of that nature to translate to ‘correct’

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He seems to be one of the few who is given airtime that actually knows what he is talking about. Also see ‘condescending’ and words of that nature to translate to ‘correct’

He was a good AG too.

 

[BobKowalski]

Not sure that has been confirmed - but fuck I hope it is the case

All those mentioned and others have demonstrated that they are untrustworthy because they campaigned for a clear manifesto and then turned coat and placed their personal preferences ahead of the party position that they had agreed to

That would mean that they are just using the Conservative Party as a flag of convenience - just why the fuck would the Conservative, or indeed any party, tolerate that. They should fuck off and join Chukka - certainly the Conservative party should fuck them off

All this faux outrage is just Remainer reaction to seeing some long-needed steel after the empty suit that May was.

They are against a no deal Brexit. All voted for the WA which ensured Brexit. Johnson also voted for the WA as did Rees Mogg. Your post is incorrect.

 

[BobKowalski]

I expected more for you Bob - that is the most ill-thought trough/inaccurate post that I can remember seeing from you

The reason is clear though - you see everything through the prism of the EU is the supreme being and the UK must be stopped from leaving the EU - we must be secured as a ongoing contributor of funds and a taker of rules form the deity that the EU is in your eyes.

You like to talk about rules - so you should have instead started from the point of A50 - which is what is being enacted here:

"...…..the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. "

The rules do not say that

"...…..the Union shall negotiate in a manner that is opportunistic and seeks to bring forward an agreement that leads to the abandonment of the withdrawal notice. "​

The decision to leave the EU was taken by the UK populace

The process of leaving the EU is the enactment of one of the EU's own procedures - A50.

There is no, or at least, unless the EU is acting in bad faith (spoiler - it is), here should not be any validity to:

"The WA is a ‘lose’ for the EU as it is a step to removing the U.K. from the EU trading bloc...…"

That is the comment of someone that simply cannot tolerate the thought of the UK leaving the EU - utterly nonsense in the context of a deal being negotiated under the EU's A50 because that outcome is already decided.

In the context that it is a deal established as part of a process to implement A50 as a response to a sovereign state choosing to leave the EU - it is in fact a massive win for the EU. It keeps the UK taking rules they have no say in during the ongoing implementation period and will, thanks to an unfettered backstop, ensure that the period that the UK continues to be a rule taker (with no say) will last until the EU considers there is no need to retain the UK in vassal state status.

The WA is a massively bad deal for the UK for the same reasons

It was worth putting you right on this point - the rest of your post is, IMO, simply irrelevant fluff. This is understandable because you often display, particularly in this post, your myopia on this subject. You cannot it seems consider anything that is outside the prism of - the UK must stay in the EU because the EU is almighty.

As I said - I expected more from you. Others on here do not have the capability to consider things objectively and outside the scope of their own narrow bias and preferred outcomes - I thought that you had. Disappointing.

The EU did negotiate and conclude an agreement with the leaving state. It does not mandate the terms of any agreement.

Clearly the loss of the UK from the EU trading bloc is a negative for the EU. It is an objective fact.

 

[Rascal]

Not sure that has been confirmed - but fuck I hope it is the case

All those mentioned and others have demonstrated that they are untrustworthy because they campaigned for a clear manifesto and then turned coat and placed their personal preferences ahead of the party position that they had agreed to

That would mean that they are just using the Conservative Party as a flag of convenience - just why the fuck would the Conservative, or indeed any party, tolerate that. They should fuck off and join Chukka - certainly the Conservative party should fuck them off

All this faux outrage is just Remainer reaction to seeing some long-needed steel after the empty suit that May was.

I am hoping it is not Remainer reaction but Democratic reaction and that MPs are indeed reacting to the proposed nullification of the legislature. It should be their first and foremost duty to serve their electorate, not serve their party. If MPs from any party are putting the sanctity of our democracy above all else then in my opinion they deserve to be revered and not admonished.

Free thinking should be encouraged in democracy not discouraged through whipping and threat of deselection. That smacks of authoritarianism.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The EU did negotiate and conclude an agreement with the leaving state. It does not mandate the terms of any agreement.

Clearly the loss of the UK from the EU trading bloc is a negative for the EU. It is an objective fact.

Also, the notion that the UK government can come across all sententious about the international obligations of others, when the **** is talking of resiling from ours, is fucking comical.

 

[George Hannah]

Mounting panic among the Remainers - Blair cries stop the General Election at all costs, it's the BoJo elephant trap - mixing a Brexit Champion and anti- Marxist sell to put him in power for the next 5 years. Looks like an accurate diagnosis - Boris is lining up the Commons to defeat the government and provoke an Ocotober GE.

 

[blueinsa]

Mounting panic among the Remainers - Blair cries stop the General Election at all costs, it's the BoJo elephant trap - mixing a Brexit Champion and anti- Marxist sell to put him in power for the next 5 years. Looks like an accurate diagnosis - Boris is lining up the Commons to defeat the government and provoke an Ocotober GE.

Many on here just can’t see nor accept the fact that Labour under Corbyn have no fucking chance.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Many on here just can’t see nor accept the fact that Labour under Corbyn have no fucking chance.

Well he should not be underestimated like last time.

He ran a really good election campaign last time against aunt sally

 

[hgblue]

Mounting panic among the Remainers - Blair cries stop the General Election at all costs, it's the BoJo elephant trap - mixing a Brexit Champion and anti- Marxist sell to put him in power for the next 5 years. Looks like an accurate diagnosis - Boris is lining up the Commons to defeat the government and provoke an Ocotober GE.

Shhhhhhh, don't let the cat out of the bag ;)

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I can support the prorogue of Parliament ( just) , however this idea that the govt can simply ignore the law if legislation comes in , I just do not accept.

The idea that a government can choose to ignore the law is very dangerous indeed.

He needs to call a general election .

 

[Rascal]

I can support the prorogue of Parliament ( just) , however this idea that the govt can simply ignore the law if legislation comes in , I just do not accept.

The idea that a government can choose to ignore the law is very dangerous indeed.

He needs to call a general election .

Gove refused to confirm that this government will accept legislation passed by parliament.

I said last week, we are approaching a dictatorship, I wish people would wake the fuck up.

 

[BobKowalski]

I can support the prorogue of Parliament ( just) , however this idea that the govt can simply ignore the law if legislation comes in , I just do not accept.

The idea that a government can choose to ignore the law is very dangerous indeed.

He needs to call a general election .

Yep. This idea that the rule of law can be ignored without consequences is a dangerous step. Frankly I would rather have a no deal Brexit.

I don’t see how an election whilst we are still in the EU benefits the Tories. They ran the 2017 election on a ‘we can deliver Brexit’ ticket so running an election two years later on the same ticket looks an odd move especially when it’s clear you have provoked the situation and what’s the guarantee if they win they will deliver it anyway? And how do they deliver Brexit? With a deal which hardcore Brexiteers regard as a betrayal? On an no deal basis which half the country think is mad?

 

[cibaman]

I can support the prorogue of Parliament ( just) , however this idea that the govt can simply ignore the law if legislation comes in , I just do not accept.

The idea that a government can choose to ignore the law is very dangerous indeed.

He needs to call a general election .

It's been suggested that he wont ignore the law as such. He'll claim that its unclear as to whether any emergency legislation is binding or supersedes the legislation to take us out of the EU on 31st. So he will refer the matter to the Supreme Court to adjudicate. Which will take time.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Gove refused to confirm that this government will accept legislation passed by parliament.

I said last week, we are approaching a dictatorship, I wish people would wake the fuck up.

This has been long in the cooking and the meal is almost ready for serving to the nation.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Many on here just can’t see nor accept the fact that Labour under Corbyn have no fucking chance.

Sadly, you are absolutely correct in terms of an outright majority. He is utterly fucking useless and a bit of a wanker to boot.

 

[Saddleworth2]

And his hoovers are shite for the price

Well designed? They are the work of the devil and hit the skip after 4 weeks of ownership. Have you tried emptying one without covering yourself in fucking shite? He indeed is an overrated ****.

 

[Rascal]

Sadly, you are absolutely correct in terms of an outright majority. He is utterly fucking useless and a bit of a wanker to boot.

As I hear every day.

At this moment in time, I would vote for Thatcher the witch woman if it kept Johnson out, at least she valued democracy.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Well designed? They are the work of the devil and hit the skip after 4 weeks of ownership. Have you tried emptying one without covering yourself in fucking shite? He indeed is an overrated ****.

They are utter wank. Melie dog and cat (Italian) are the best

I have never understood this fascination with dyson they also weigh about the same as a baby rhino.

 

[Saddleworth2]

They are utter wank. Melie dog and cat (Italian) are the best

I have never understood this fascination with dyson they also weigh about the same as a baby rhino.

The wife has invested in many starting with the most fucking expensive she can find (miele). Finally she has settled on good old Henry Hoover albeit I have to apply running repairs on poor old Henrys hose every now and then (ooh err). Dyson lasted the least time because I had to empty the bastard for her. That was before I knew what a **** the man was.