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Vic said:
What? You foresaw this shit show?

Acolytes is just another weasel word for traitors.
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There you are twisting the words of others - as is your habit

In the dictionary 'acolyte' is defined as an assistant - so an entirely accurate word for me to use when I am commenting on the assistance being given to the EU by this action

So - any chance of you retracting that?
 
The one lie that wont die, that the referendum was democratic is trotted out when lesser lies are debunked. By a factor of a million, the public have only the media for information. The media is solid brexit, has been for 30 years. Therefore the public perception of the EU is skewed, overtly and subliminally, by what they are led to believe. The overtly racist farrage, backed by the overtly racist mail/sun made certain that the evidence was "tampered with". No-one knows better than the tory top table that a re-referendum, stripped of the "fake news", would mirror the mep result, 30% of a 30% turn-out for brexit. To compare and conclude, that the lies cancelled each other out is almost monty python land. At worst, remain's FORECAST's were ott, how could they lie about the last 40 years, we were living it. The promises of the anti-eu faction were built on concrete lies, repeated as fact, unchallenged, featured in publicity campaigns,blaming the EU for the immigration figures is/was central to their message/lie. Taking back control, a sound-bite that features heavily in brexit lies, designed to blame the EU for "austerity", for the failure of manufacturing, the housing crisis, and any crisis "du jour". "The public just want it done with", is desperation writ large, May stabbed us in the back, the death of democracy, federation bad, far right good...."We knew what we were voting for", probably the greatest lie ever told...ever, by anyone,
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Good grief.

I caught that segment. I can also confirm what you've stated as being correct, for what it's worth.
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I have also confirmed seeing it - I expect George will get an apology for a20 having wasted his time and suggest that he was not being truthful

That or he will deploy the Remainer defence mechanism of just keep digging
 
bellbuzzer said:
The one lie that wont die, that the referendum was democratic is trotted out when lesser lies are debunked. By a factor of a million, the public have only the media for information. The media is solid brexit, has been for 30 years. Therefore the public perception of the EU is skewed, overtly and subliminally, by what they are led to believe. The overtly racist farrage, backed by the overtly racist mail/sun made certain that the evidence was "tampered with". No-one knows better than the tory top table that a re-referendum, stripped of the "fake news", would mirror the mep result, 30% of a 30% turn-out for brexit. To compare and conclude, that the lies cancelled each other out is almost monty python land. At worst, remain's FORECAST's were ott, how could they lie about the last 40 years, we were living it. The promises of the anti-eu faction were built on concrete lies, repeated as fact, unchallenged, featured in publicity campaigns,blaming the EU for the immigration figures is/was central to their message/lie. Taking back control, a sound-bite that features heavily in brexit lies, designed to blame the EU for "austerity", for the failure of manufacturing, the housing crisis, and any crisis "du jour". "The public just want it done with", is desperation writ large, May stabbed us in the back, the death of democracy, federation bad, far right good...."We knew what we were voting for", probably the greatest lie ever told...ever, by anyone,
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The electorate voted to Leave in a binding referendum - the simple refutation of all of this poisonous fluff
 
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mcfc1632 said:
There you are twisting the words of others - as is your habit

In the dictionary 'acolyte' is defined as an assistant - so an entirely accurate word for me to use when I am commenting on the assistance being given to the EU by this action

So - any chance of you retracting that?
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No. You use all sorts of euphemisms but it still boils down to implying Remainers are acting for the EU rather than in the UK's best interests (or what you think are the UK's interests).
 
aguero93:20 said:
Nope. Too disruptive and the UK voted to leave, they should leave.
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Hope you are right and that is how it works out

But the penguin was commenting on what the EU would prefer and not asking what you, from your contempt of the UK viewpoint, would prefer

Why is the EU preparing to offer an extension? That shows that he was right and you are just dripping out the spite of your personal feelings
 
Grieve looking happy and ready to extract his next rabbit - Bercow's gang are not going to allow the government to seek a dissolution in the event their coup succeeds..democracy in action preventing a General Election
 
Vic said:
No. You use all sorts of euphemisms but it still boils down to implying Remainers are acting for the EU rather than in the UK's best interests (or what you think are the UK's interests).
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I guess I did not expect you to man-up and retract

Let me ask you a different question - you seem to have a good grasp of the language

Is an acolyte someone that assists?
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Well exactly my point - it is very much NOT like leaving and rejoining a gym. All sides will hurt if we crash out - my idea makes it less likely.
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The truth is that we will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a genuine no-deal outcome and the political will to use it.

They have not faced that prospect over the 3 years and their acolytes are seeking to ensure that they do not have to do now

Why would the EU do anything when they can observe their acolytes undermining the UK negotiating position from within and negate any need for them to ever make any concessions?
 
The editor of the Big Issue reckons Boris was shaking with fear at the podium yesterday - then Boulton responds that the baying mob shouting him down were actually Brexit supporters - only to be interrupted by Stop Brexit howls - lol
 
George Hannah said:
The electorate voted to Leave in a binding referendum - the simple refutation of all of this poisonous fluff
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Full circle, "we won you lost, suck it up". is "binding" the same as "advisory", or semantic gymnastics to avoid it being declared illegal; whatever, there'll be another straw to clutch for the brexit acolytes (faragistas? trumpists? cumminglinguists? thatcherists?)
 
George Hannah said:
the closing sequence
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I did not get round to watching that at he time - will watch it some time

I have been criticised for my comments that Olly Robbins was wholly incapable - due to incompetence and inappropriate - due to him being pro-EU to be leading the negotiations for the UK

The closing comments there just show the level of respect he was able to secure with the EU team - lol
 
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Pingu the Penguin said:
Yes, exactly. I still think that, if push comes to shove, Labour will have to argue for revoke too. If not, they will implode as a party. That leaves the tories to decide what they want to do. Pushing for Brexit now will guarantee defeat for them and spell the end of the party, I suspect.
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Manchester born and bred but living down south for many years

There is a lot of Pro-Remain support down here, but outside London, it is spread across constituencies that I suspect would still vote Conservative before consideration of any risk of letting Corbyn become PM. That means that a lot of pro-Remain support will become ineffective in a GE

Elsewhere across the country there will be a split of the Remain vote between Labour and the LibDems which could play to the Conservatives benefit in a lot of marginals - especially as some pro-Leave Labour supporters might just 'hold their noses' and vote for the Leave party on this occasion

I think that if Boris goes to the country on the promise of seeking a deal with the EU that has the backstop removed, but if not managing a withdrawal anyway - he might well win the election

Anyway - let's find out and bring this sorry mess to a close
 
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mcfc1632 said:
The truth is that we will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a genuine no-deal outcome and the political will to use it.

They have not faced that prospect over the 3 years and their acolytes are seeking to ensure that they do not have to do now

Why would the EU do anything when they can observe their acolytes undermining the UK negotiating position from within and negate any need for them to ever make any concessions?
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It’s more you won’t see movement from the EU until something different that is credible is proposed to them.
 
bellbuzzer said:
Full circle, "we won you lost, suck it up". is "binding" the same as "advisory", or semantic gymnastics to avoid it being declared illegal; whatever, there'll be another straw to clutch for the brexit acolytes (faragistas? trumpists? cumminglinguists? thatcherists?)
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No, Cameron's government and the Labour opposition both agreed to abide by the referendum outcome in 2016, both their manifestos in 2017 repeated and reinforced that commitment and Article 50 is an EU treaty setting the day of our exit on 31 October, deal or no deal, voted for by 498 to 114. Not semantics just the plain truth - you lost but that doesn't matter it seems.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Manchester born and bred but living down south for many years

There is a lot of Pro-Remain support down here, but outside London, it is spread across constituencies that I suspect would still vote Conservative before consideration of any risk of letting Corbyn become PM. That means that a lot of pro-Remain support will become ineffective in a GE

Elsewhere across the country there will be a split of the Remain vote between Labour and the LibDems which could play to the Conservatives benefit in a lot of marginals - especially as some pro=Leave Labour supporters might just 'hold their noses' and vote for the Leave party on this occasion

I think that if Boris goes to the country on the promise of seeking a deal with the EU that has the backstop removed, but if not managing a withdrawal anyway - he might well win the election

Anyway - let's find out and bring this sorry mess to a close
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It would only bring it to a close if someone gains a decent majority at a GE. Why not hold a confirmatory referendum?
 
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