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denislawsbackheel said:
You sir are an embarrassment with your infantile, jingoistic nonsense.
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It's my pleasure and obligation to present the forum with a truthful and balanced account of our history and values. If you find my contributions infantile and jingoistic it merely demonstrates those efforts have to be redoubled. Any chance of a clue as to which fact specifically you disagree with in my post?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Ok so what’s your solution then?

Either side are going to continue to get excited whatever happens
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My solution is the least bad i.e the current WA - people will always be in the market for no solution but we need compromise and to put the lunatic fringe back to the fringes. Sign the WA, accept out lower standing in the world and put this whole mess down to experience
 
mcfc1632 said:
Your English is really slopping today - perhaps you are less confident at the moment than previously

Let me help you

Give over you say?

1. Are they doing it intentionally - without any shadow of a doubt

2. Will it harm the UK’s negotiating position - without any shadow of a doubt

Not difficult mate - just objectivity required
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I think the point many have and rightly have is the UK's negotiation position is currently non-existent because of the detail and not the impasse in Parliament.

The backstop can go but we have to provide an alternative.

If physically joined we wouldn't have an open border to the US, China, Australia etc because we are not part of the same legal/social/economic system.

When we leave the EU we will transition from the same system to a new one hence the need for the backstop to preserve an open border.

Our negotiation strategy cannot be "we want to be a member but not be a member", that will never fly no matter how determined we are to see out no deal.

The threat of no deal is therefore pointless and will lead in itself to no deal.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Your English is really slopping today - perhaps you are less confident at the moment than previously

Let me help you

Give over you say?

1. Are they doing it intentionally - without any shadow of a doubt

2. Will it harm the UK’s negotiating position - without any shadow of a doubt

Not difficult mate - just objectivity required
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Why would it harm the UK's negotiating position?
If no deal is at best just a 'few bumps in the road' or at worse marginally worse than a trade deal then the same must apply to the EU and so what's all the fuss about?
 
Blue Hefner said:
My solution is the least bad i.e the current WA - people will always be in the market for no solution but we need compromise and to put the lunatic fringe back to the fringes. Sign the WA, accept out lower standing in the world and put this whole mess down to experience
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The opposition has refused to sign the WA three times. Naturally the ERG wouldn't but what was Labour MP's excuse?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
They are lying right now all of them saying they want to stop us leaving with no deal but are actually just trying to stop us leaving

They lie every time they utter the words

Of course I respect the referendum result but
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It is soooo disingenuous that people on here cannot admit the simple truths

We Leavers can admit what this latest move by Johnson is about - but Remainers cannot be honest - they need to project themselves as somehow noble - utter bollocks, they are just taking part in the lying
 
More on the Foster scoop in the Telegraph

‘The Number 10 chief of staff until July Mr Barwell backs up Peter Foster Telegraph report that current negotiations are a “sham” says he’s heard same from multiple courses, challenges Johnson’s team to publish their backstop plans’ @bbc

 
Was watching the TV this morning before work where they did their usual interviewing the man in the street. What is notable is that the vast majority of people interviewed have a simple view based on sound bites they've regularly heard. You hear them repeating word for word almost the stuff that Farage or Johnson say. There's no nuance or recognition of facts about the lack of negotiation with the EU or the fact that Johnson tells demonstrable lies every time he opens his mouth. A GE with traditional campaigning will result in a Tory victory as the government are not constrained by having to be factual because they know that the consequences of lying are far outweighed by the reality of a victory.
 
If the government is enacting the will of the people, why won’t they release their no deal impact analysis to the people. Can anyone answer this other than the most obvious answer.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The opposition has refused to sign the WA three times. Naturally the ERG wouldn't but what was Labour MP's excuse?
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The objected to the Political Declaration which went alongside the WA and wanted it changed for their support. May reluctantly opened negotiations but it was more about running the clock down. This strategy was scuppered when she lost control of the House and an extension to A50 was obtained. Labour has no fundamental objections to the WA.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
If the government is enacting the will of the people, why won’t they release their no deal impact analysis to the people. Can anyone answer this other than the most obvious answer.
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Yes. Because they're duplicitous cunts who are lying like fuck when they say no-deal brexit will be great for the country.
 
west didsblue said:
Song contest!
Smh
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Just an example, I could point out where the Spanish have blown millions on motorways that go nowhere or airports that are not used. How about letting in bankrupt countries like Greece just so they could create more administrative jobs etc etc.

The fact is they like our monetary contribution but do not really like us. At the end of the day we had a referendum and because our elected representatives didn't like the result we are all left with a feeling of uncertainty and frustration.

If we had had a PM worth their salt then this mess would have been sorted out a long time ago. When we do eventually have a General Election what sort of a buggers muddle will we end up with in Parliament?
 
M18CTID said:
The only deal that was on the table has been voted down 3 times in parliament. I could be wrong of course but I don't believe Johnson himself wants us out without a deal, and my feeling is that he's using it as a negotiating tactic to try and get a better deal than the one we already had.
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Correct - it is obvious to all who can think objectively
 
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Blue Hefner said:
My solution is the least bad i.e the current WA - people will always be in the market for no solution but we need compromise and to put the lunatic fringe back to the fringes. Sign the WA, accept out lower standing in the world and put this whole mess down to experience
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Mine would be take remain and no deal out of the equation and present two or three realistic leave with a deal offers to the electorate.

No chance of this happening now though.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The opposition has refused to sign the WA three times. Naturally the ERG wouldn't but what was Labour MP's excuse?
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It's not as good as staying in. Therefore it is very difficult(unheard of) for the Opposition to wave through a Government policy that leaves the UK worse than it was before
 
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