Another new Brexit thread

[kaz7]

Just seen

I'm not overly sure which thread to pot this in but here seems a good a place as any:

What happens next?

 

[George Hannah]

Harland and Wolff is in Belfast though....thats why i was confused

Indeed, he was killed in 1919, during the Black & Tan War.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

If the Lib Dems take Bracknell there won't be a Tory MP left outside the home counties.

As I said - no such thing as a safe seat anymore.

 

[aguero93:20]

Clearly you have no idea about Lexit or the left-wing arguments about the EU.
"Guilt by association" is a total cunts trick, especially when those opinions ave never been voiced by me and you're asking me to "explain" them. You can take your Nazi obsessed "theories" and shove em.

There's no point in saying you wanted Lexit when you voted for Farage and JRM's vision of Brexit. Especially when if the UK loses Scotland over Brexit it won't be moving to the left politically in the next 50 years, the Overton window will be well, well right of centre.

 

[urban genie]

Unlike the rest of Europe out last experience of beng conquered was more than 1000 years ago, we are exceptional.

331 tbf when king billy landed and dethroned charles II

Plus technically parts of our landmass was conqoured when the whole of the british empire in South east Asia was conquored by the Japanese in WW2.

Or does that not count?

 

[carlosthejackal]

The clown is drowning and I have zero sympathy for the fucker

 

[cibaman]

It is turning into a proper shoeing.

But doesn’t that play well for his target audience?

 

[aguero93:20]

But doesn’t that play well for his target audience?

Not if he's made to look clueless and incompetent. Or if it does, he's targeting far too small an audience.

 

[Metal Biker]

There's no point in saying you wanted Lexit when you voted for Farage and JRM's vision of Brexit. Especially when if the UK loses Scotland over Brexit it won't be moving to the left politically in the next 50 years, the Overton window will be well, well right of centre.

And when exactly did I vote for Farage and JRM's vision? When did anyone who wanted Lexit do so?

Everytime a reasonable debate happens, it always reverts back to Farage and the ERG, you're obsessed.

 

[aguero93:20]

And when exactly did I vote for Farage and JRM's vision? When did anyone who wanted Lexit do so?

Everytime a reasonable debate happens, it always reverts back to Farage and the ERG, you're obsessed.

Who was campaigning for it at the time of the referendum? Certainly nobody on the left.

 

[BobKowalski]

But doesn’t that play well for his target audience?

Masochists and gimp mask devotees? Probably. All a bit public schoolboy for my tastes.

 

[robbieh]

Yet you're still fighting to stay.

Start promoting a "leave with a deal" attitude and this will soon be over and we can all move forward, with only the hardline extremists on the remain and leave side being the ones disappointed, whilst the vast majority of us, who've had enough, want it to be concluded. Staying in only keeps the issue rolling on, as does a no deal brexit. Leave with a deal and end this political farce.

I'm not. Actually pretty much agree with you. It's time to move on.

 

[bluemoon32]

I voted remain but will gladly admit i know little about the ins and outs of politics compared to the posters in this thread.
I will say though that i feel there are no winners in this, i've never known an issue cause so much divide and anger between families, friends, work mates etc etc.
Whatever happens, huge divisions have opened up in our society and it's much the poorer because of it.
I worry about the future and my childrens future, irrespective of how this all plays out.
This post doesnt really add anything to the debate but i'd hazard a guess that a lot ( on both sides) have the same worries and concerns as me on the personal level

 

[George Hannah]

331 tbf when king billy landed and dethroned charles II

You're right of course, but the conquering duet in that instance was invited in and installed without bloodshed by Parliament.

 

[Metal Biker]

Who was campaigning for it at the time of the referendum? Certainly nobody on the left.

Who have been campaigning for a referendum for the last 40 years?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Actually, totally wrong.

The question was where was no deal given as an option by the hard left, before or during the referendum? You quoted:

"'No deal is better than the one we've got' which is a bad deal no?"

The inference is that this was said AFTER the referendum with reference to this part of the statement: "Better than the one we've got". So again, WHERE, WHEN & by WHOM was a NO DEAL Brexit stated as a stated aim that the public willingly voted for? In fact I recall hearing a deal with all the benefits of the single market, but none of the drawbacks of being a member of the EU would be a piece of piss to attain.

I'll make another brew whilst you dig up another pearler for the Bluemoon masses.

Hope you enjoyed your brew. We're going back a bit here, but the quote I'm making isn't mine, it's a quote from
Nigel Farage, which is what he said BEFORE the referendum, the quote was corrected from 'No deal is better than a bad deal.'
WHERE, WHEN, and by WHOM was anything qualified on the ballot paper, that offered to stay, or leave with a deal?
The choice was Leave the EU, Stay in the EU no deals were mentioned.
Do you want to see a copy of that paper?
Your suggestion is that millions voted the way they did must be because they were seduced by this one recurring point.
By the same logic, millions were seduced to vote remain by the threats of massive job losses and tax increases, was that the case?
Basically, one side won, the other lost, the losers just will not accept that, which is why we are where we are.

 

[aguero93:20]

Who have been campaigning for a referendum for the last 40 years?

Tony Benn? Did you expect him to take over Brexit negotiations? I'm sorry to break this to you but he's dead and the left wing of the labour movement are nowhere near the process and were never going to be.

 

[blueparrot]

Basically, one side won, the other lost, the losers just will not accept that, which is why we are where we are.

That's because the UK parliament wasn't designed to work that way, shouldn't work that way and isn't working that way. Maybe you should have campaigned for a different UK democratic system instead of wasting time voting to leave the EU in a referendum incompatible with the UK democratic process.

 

[Metal Biker]

Tony Benn? Did you expect him to take over Brexit negotiations? I'm sorry to break this to you but he's dead and the left wing of the labour movement are nowhere near the process and were never going to be.

Hmm maybe those 35% of Labour voters who voted in favour must have been imagined.

You just don't want to accept that there are people on the left who voted to leave the EU and have wanted the discussion for years, for reasons that aren't the same as "Farage and JRM". So there is genuinely no point in discussing this matter with you until you do, is there.

 

[cibaman]

Masochists and gimp mask devotees? Probably. All a bit public schoolboy for my tastes.

I was thinking more of potential Bxp voters, Labour leavers, the editors of the mail and telegraph etc. He has to be able to show to them that he has no choice other than to go down the election route and that he’s fighting their corner for brexit against that nasty remain majority in parliament. Taking a few blows, suffering the odd black eye can be quite useful in that setting