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Harland and Wolff is in Belfast though....thats why i was confused
Some might use semantics about the wording of what the Children of Lir statue represents, but I personally wouldn't have a problem with it being used in memory of George's grandfather regardless of his allegiances. An innocent victim is an innocent victim.
 
Hmm maybe those 35% of Labour voters who voted in favour must have been imagined.

You just don't want to accept that there are people on the left who voted to leave the EU and have wanted the discussion for years, for reasons that aren't the same as "Farage and JRM". So there is genuinely no point in discussing this matter with you until you do, is there.
There is a general failure of folk to get their heads around brexit being a cross party issue. Aside from the brexit party and lib dems the main partys are both just as divided. I think it's genuinely flummoxed the media who normally get to take the lazy way out and paint all political issues as left vs right. Tbf most are I suppose.
 
That's because the UK parliament wasn't designed to work that way, shouldn't work that way and isn't working that way. Maybe you should have campaigned for a different UK democratic system instead of wasting time voting to leave the EU in a referendum incompatible with the UK democratic process.
It probably could be described as unworkable, if you supported the side that lost.
There have been referendums before, when parliament abrogates responsibility to the voting populace, I don't
recall anyone clamouring to have them scrapped or revoked, or claims of it being 'Advisory' when the results came in though, just this one.
 
Hmm maybe those 35% of Labour voters who voted in favour must have been imagined.

You just don't want to accept that there are people on the left who voted to leave the EU and have wanted the discussion for years, for reasons that aren't the same as "Farage and JRM". So there is genuinely no point in discussing this matter with you until you do, is there.
They're in the same boat with those in the states who voted for Trump thinking he'd help the working class and cut down on corruption.
 
There is a general failure of folk to get their heads around brexit being a cross party issue. Aside from the brexit party and lib dems the main partys are both just as divided. I think it's genuinely flummoxed the media who normally get to take the lazy way out and paint all political issues as left vs right. Tbf most are I suppose.
It's like they want to ignore the left argument because it's inconvenient to their cause of posing brexit as being nothing but a right-wing, Tory mantra.
Can't have people thinking that people voted to leave on a wide number of reasons, can we.
 
The current situation is unsustainable but it is being sustained because the alternatives have been deemed unacceptable. The WA is considered by both Remain and Leave as unacceptable and a no deal exit simply hands whatever leverage we have left back to the EU. Johnson seems to be gambling on the EU granting a raft of mini deals to keep the country running. All these mini deals will be in the gift of the EU, time limited and come at a price.

A no deal exit is simply an admission of defeat.
In your highly subjective opinion
 
It's like they want to ignore the left argument because it's inconvenient to their cause of posing brexit as being nothing but a right-wing, Tory mantra.
Can't have people thinking that people voted to leave on a wide number of reasons, can we.
You're not getting a left wing Brexit, you're getting a right wing one. The 'left' (if you could call them that) in the UK have never seriously campaigned for it so how did you expect them to be the ones to shape it? The most left wing country in the UK is completely against it.
 
It's like they want to ignore the left argument because it's inconvenient to their cause of posing brexit as being nothing but a right-wing, Tory mantra.
Can't have people thinking that people voted to leave on a wide number of reasons, can we.
I think it just media and social media manipulation tbh. Same as city/ffp stories appearing whenever we were top last season, or yet more amazing revelations about corbyn persecuting Jews whenever someone wanted his job.
 
It's like they want to ignore the left argument because it's inconvenient to their cause of posing brexit as being nothing but a right-wing, Tory mantra.
Can't have people thinking that people voted to leave on a wide number of reasons, can we.

True - but Brexit is supported by the extreme right and extreme left. You are not going to meet in the middle are you. And the numbers from the right are much greater than the left - so you are just enabling the far right.

You might have your reasons but what you are doing is enabling the likes of Boris and Farage. There is no Lexit movement of any scale that you are helping. Brexit will only ever result in a big shift to the right. You have to accept that simple reality is one you acknowledge and can live with - or you live on a different planet to the rest of us.
 
It probably could be described as unworkable, if you supported the side that lost.
There have been referendums before, when parliament abrogates responsibility to the voting populace, I don't
recall anyone clamouring to have them scrapped or revoked, or claims of it being 'Advisory' when the results came in though, just this one.
It’s not a claim this one was advisory. This referendum left it for parliament to negotiate with the EU. This is whts still happening as well as negotiating with itself. Its how it works like it or don’t it’s what is happening in front of your eyes.
 
He's probably one of the best and most intelligent proponents of remain out there. If he could only direct his efforts into winning converts rather than just arguments he'd be truly great. Sadly his frustration with the stupidity of anyone who doesn't agree with him colours his approach and negates his impact. The tragedy of this is he then ends up like Farage, just preaching to the hardcore.
Correct - like people on forums - he has no idea how to debate/persuade/convert

He just seems to get off on acting the clever dick

Of course Remainers - such as we see on here - salivate at his every word, but really? I doubt he has converted a single Leave supporter and I am sure he has entrenched the commitment in many of them

In summary - good entertainment for his followers - utterly pointless and ineffective though
 
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