Another new Brexit thread

[Neville Kneville]

You assume what you want.

You're so late to the party (and haven't exactly made a good first impression) I doubt anyone wishes to explain their reasons to you after having done so time and time again on the other thread.

So assume away.

You votee for Nige's Norway Brexit I believe ?

Going well.

 

[Magicpole]

Size 11, wide fitting slip on will do.

Colour?

 

[Metal Biker]

The only judgement they can rely on is their own. That is all we can ask. Take account of the many varied views and come to your best judgement for your constituents and the country. The electorate will then pass its verdict at the next election.

I agree with Clark and the other rebels. I do not agree with Hoey and Mann. But all came by their decisions through acting in good conscience.

Again though, the reason I call them a joke is how they've put party politics ahead of everything else. None of them wanted to reach a conclusion, they just wished to seek a path to No.10. You're welcome to disagree on my opinion that Parliament is a complete joke right now.

 

[Vic]

FFS - how fucking desperately you twist words/events/facts

The utter incompetents that such as Robbins were immediately stood down - something that we should all be cheering as they have demonstrated their incompetence for years. There absolutely needs to be a fresh group of people facing off against the EU - people that are not only capable of undertaking negotiations but also who's starting position is not up the EU's arse

Replacing (in your view poor) negotiators with people who only do sham negotiations...

 

[Vic]

What really makes it easy for the EU is that they can sit twiddling their thumbs and observe their sycophants at Westminster act to ensure that they will never have to consider making any move

Move about what? The EU gave 30 days for him to come up with something and he's spent half of that just conspiring and lying about proroguing Parliament.

 

[Magicpole]

Yet before Brexit is finished he'll have to face a GE and it'll come down to whether there's enough of them firstly to win an election and secondly that'll stick to conservatives and not go to Farage to get him back to Downing Street. I think he finished his chances of that today. There's a reason May pushed stability as a selling point.

If Farage were to come out in any way in a position of political power, I will be pitching a tent in your garden until my Irish passport comes through thanks to my great Granny Bonner. I will bring my guitar and busk at your gate until I get signed by an Irish label. Shouldn’t take long.

 

[Vic]

I, along with I suspect millions of British people, used to be inwardly very proud of the fact that a Hitler or a Mussolini "could never happen here" .

Then we spent over 40 years saying to millions of the population " you don't earn enough money for your vote to be listened to. Well just ignore it" Culminating in this latest bout of machinations .

I fear for the future of our nation. I fear for those on less than 40k a year .

They currently have no political voice whatsoever .

That does seem odd when they are the majority. Too many of them vote for the toffs' party - the party of the few.

 

[BobKowalski]

Again though, the reason I call them a joke is how they've put party politics ahead of everything else. None of them wanted to reach a conclusion, they just wished to seek a path to No.10. You're welcome to disagree on my opinion that Parliament is a complete joke right now.

I doubt if Clark or Soames is looking to make a play for No 10. They’re retiring at the next election. I also doubt either wanted to end their political careers being kicked out of the Tory party.

 

[Vic]

To my mind, the backstop is there solely because the the Irish government, and therefore the EU, don't trust the UK government.
Everything Cameron did with the EU, and everything since, suggests that they have a point.

And not helped by now having an incorrigible liar as PM

 

[mcfc1632]

The drafting of the rebel bill is now alleged to have been assisted by EU lawyers - good grief

The acolytes have been working on behalf of the EU for 3 years and of course they will have means of contact so things can be coordinated.

For Leave supporters - I think that this article sets out the reality quite well and makes much better reading than some of the stuff on here the last 24hours

https://brexitcentral.com/we-are-wh...ed-with-the-eu-to-prevent-an-acceptable-deal/

 

[aguero93:20]

If Farage were to come out in any way in a position of political power, I will be pitching a tent in your garden until my Irish passport comes through thanks to my great Granny Bonner. I will bring my guitar and busk at your gate until I get signed by an Irish label. Shouldn’t take long.

As long as you don't bring that Louis Walsh **** anywhere near my house.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

So you cannot explain your reasons for wanting to leave the EU? Figures!

I'll assume you don't actually know & are quite happy to sleepwalk back into a pre-war Britain where the common man was largely ignored & the elite & ruling classes could do what they liked with no restraint.....

Has it ever crossed your mind why Nazi Nige & his jack boot, goose stepping sycophants want out of Europe? Have you considered what they mean when they say 'We' want our country back?

Germany had the same problems in the 1930s. Thanks a lot mate.

Also, what are your views on Scotland, Ireland, Spain & Argentina wanting their countries back? I assume you support their claims too?

Tell me all the reasons you want to stay in, go on, each and every one, list all the benefits, the acceptable flaws,
or the reasons why there are non, in detail, tell me exactly how the customs union, the single market and the full brief and results
of, the ECJ, all the cases presented to it, what the verdicts were, why and how they came to them, and why EU law has been incorporated.
I don't know who you think you are, demanding that I, or anyone, should pander to your requests, especially as all you ask for has been
discussed to death, by me and others.
Take your ludicrous Nazi smearing exercise and shove it, basically.
Hope this helps.

 

[Vic]

I personally think they need to put it to a Mays WA/revoke vote in the house. With an immediate GE to follow. Just put this to bed one way or another.

ECJ says revoke must be genuine, not just a device. ( I paraphrase.) If Tories then want a GE with a manifesto commitment to leave even without a deal, good luck - though I suspect the internal arguments over that would mean even more splits.

 

[Vic]

The Tory party & Farage's gangsters, should run for election with a set date, for a no deal Brexit.

Do it sensibly, so they can prepare for a no deal exit on a set date, if they win, let's say a year from now & minimise the damage caused.

If the other parties campaign against a no deal Brexit & win more seats than the Tory/Farage alliance then it's off the table.

Under our system you could have a parliamentary majority for a No Deal party while two-thirds of the population voted for parties saying Brexit is off.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Have I called you a Nazi? I clearly stated the far right Brexiteers have used the same tactic Hitler used to convince his people his doctrine was correct & in their best interests: EG:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...ne-brexit-comments-on-bbc-newsnight-1-5760680

I wouldn't even mind, but the people in the poster picture were Syrian refugees fleeing the fighting in their country, and not immigrants marching through a field in Kent.

You directly compared someone who voted leave and brexiteers to nazis.... there just isn’t any need for it. As I said it’s just not needed

 

[Neville Kneville]

Under our system you could have a parliamentary majority for a No Deal party while two-thirds of the population voted for parties saying Brexit is off.

Or vice versa. That's our system.

But at least we would have an elected Prime Minister & the argument of no deal would have been fully made.

If enough people choose to vote for parties who promise that, then we are just a fucked up country & the rest of us have to live with it.

It was never even mentioned in the referendum. It was a con job.

 

[inbetween]

Under our system you could have a parliamentary majority for a No Deal party while two-thirds of the population voted for parties saying Brexit is off.

There is nothing to stop Labour from attempting to reconcile with the Lib Dems.

Forcing the imposition of a socialist agenda as a condition of coalition won't exactly cut it though.

 

[Magicpole]

As long as you don't bring that Louis Walsh **** anywhere near my house.

It pains me you would even think that. Just make sure you have plenty of that Irish whisky in, remember I am a connoisseur of real malts, so none of your rust removing shite. Oh and I prefer breakfast about 8 am.

 

[aguero93:20]

It pains me you would even think that. Just make sure you have plenty of that Irish whisky in, remember I am a connoisseur of real malts, so none of your rust removing shite. Oh and I prefer breakfast about 8 am.

You'll have a cold breakfast then, it'll have been sitting there for an hour.

 

[Magicpole]

You'll have a cold breakfast then, it'll have been sitting there for an hour.

I can see already there will need to be changes.