Another new Brexit thread

[Magicpole]

(meant only light-hearted mate)

But you surely if there is an indyref2 you would not want to have a simple Yes or No vote would you?

There will surely need to be a comprehensive set of Yes options to ensure that the electorate of Scotland really really know what they are voting for.

After the Brexit fiasco that could probably be looked at. What it will be is a choice to go it alone and be readmitted to the EU, which we will, don’t believe the shit about that, it will happen.

Project Fear will kick in because if we crash out then the economic situation in the areas who will be affected by Brexit will be worse. They know that, and if you don’t believe me ask yourself thus. If we are such a burden why hold on to us it’s bullshit. We are discovering new oil fields, another on the west coast that will be a goer once we get rid of Trident on the Clyde.

Yes supporting parties are predicted to win over 70% of the seats if Bawbag Boris has an election. The currency question for me is a no brainer. The £ is at its lowest level in 30 years. It will fall through the floor after brexit and I would have no issue going with the Euro. We can still keep the £ as it is an internationally traded currency and to be honest having us still use it will stabalse it. If we leave it, it will fall even further.

A lot to play for and I’m not starting to count chickens. But, Boris, Hard Exit, any exit, continued Tory rule, a hung parliament, and increase in SNP seats all points to enough has changed.

In the last one 300k vote swing and we would have won. 76% of the 65+ age group voted No, winning it for them. A lot of them will be dead now replaced by younger voters who are predominantly Yes. Also in the last one, every age group apart from 65+ voted a majority Yes.

I hope we hold our nerve, but I am not totally convinced yet. Or probably will be until we win.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

After the Brexit fiasco that could probably be looked at. What it will be is a choice to go it alone and be readmitted to the EU, which we will, don’t believe the shit about that, it will happen.

Project Fear will kick in because if we crash out then the economic situation in the areas who will be affected by Brexit will be worse. They know that, and if you don’t believe me ask yourself thus. If we are such a burden why hold on to us it’s bullshit. We are discovering new oil fields, another on the west coast that will be a goer once we get rid of Trident on the Clyde.

Yes supporting parties are predicted to win over 70% of the seats if Bawbag Boris has an election. The currency question for me is a no brainer. The £ is at its lowest level in 30 years. It will fall through the floor after brexit and I would have no issue going with the Euro. We can still keep the £ as it is an internationally traded currency and to be honest having us still use it will stabalse it. If we leave it, it will fall even further.

A lot to play for and I’m not starting to count chickens. But, Boris, Hard Exit, any exit, continued Tory rule, a hung parliament, and increase in SNP seats all points to enough has changed.

In the last one 300k vote swing and we would have won. 76% of the 65+ age group voted No, winning it for them. A lot of them will be dead now replaced by younger voters who are predominantly Yes. Also in the last one, every age group apart from 65+ voted a majority Yes.

I hope we hold our nerve, but I am not totally convinced yet. Or probably will be until we win.

You'll go before NI ever will.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Bury your head in the sand if you want, I voted Labour all my adult life from James Callaghan to Tony Blair. I can’t vote for the Tories but I don’t want this set of Labour clowns in.

I think you are the one buying the Corbyn package, he’s a fucking joke as are his cohorts.

The redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich? Fuck all to do with the huge National debt and the need to control and manage it then allied with the global banking crisis?

And the way to do that was to make the wealthy considerably more wealthy?

 

[Kazzydeyna]

After the Brexit fiasco that could probably be looked at. What it will be is a choice to go it alone and be readmitted to the EU, which we will, don’t believe the shit about that, it will happen.

Project Fear will kick in because if we crash out then the economic situation in the areas who will be affected by Brexit will be worse. They know that, and if you don’t believe me ask yourself thus. If we are such a burden why hold on to us it’s bullshit. We are discovering new oil fields, another on the west coast that will be a goer once we get rid of Trident on the Clyde.

Yes supporting parties are predicted to win over 70% of the seats if Bawbag Boris has an election. The currency question for me is a no brainer. The £ is at its lowest level in 30 years. It will fall through the floor after brexit and I would have no issue going with the Euro. We can still keep the £ as it is an internationally traded currency and to be honest having us still use it will stabalse it. If we leave it, it will fall even further.

A lot to play for and I’m not starting to count chickens. But, Boris, Hard Exit, any exit, continued Tory rule, a hung parliament, and increase in SNP seats all points to enough has changed.

In the last one 300k vote swing and we would have won. 76% of the 65+ age group voted No, winning it for them. A lot of them will be dead now replaced by younger voters who are predominantly Yes. Also in the last one, every age group apart from 65+ voted a majority Yes.

I hope we hold our nerve, but I am not totally convinced yet. Or probably will be until we win.

What if you don't get a deal off the rest of the Union?

Would you crash out with no deal or back yourselves to accept a stumble in the early days but then thrive as a newly independant nation after that?

And would you be happy if the losing side voted to give England the right to delay your exit pretty much indefinitely?

What about a hard border between the two countries? Would you be alright with that?
I assume you'd refuse to leave if the losing side insisted on one?
How many different types of leave would you put on the ballot paper?
And after you've won, im assuming you would be happy to accept being told you were too thick to understand what you'd voted for and would be happy for the richest people in Scottish society to deny your right to leave.

I wouldn't bother really mate. No offence, but if you voted to leave you wouldn't be allowed to . It's the way referenda are followed through on these days.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[hammocity]

And the way to do that was to make the wealthy considerably more wealthy?

Some people will always make money out of other people’s misery, the short selling of US mortgages made some very wealthy. However you just know if Corbyn was PM it’s not the really wealthy that will suffer (although he will try), it will be vast majority on middle incomes that will pay for his huge social budget.

 

[Magicpole]

What if you don't get a deal off the rest of the Union?

Would you crash out with no deal or back yourselves to accept a stumble in the early days but then thrive as a newly independant nation after that?

And would you be happy if the losing side voted to give England the right to delay your exit pretty much indefinitely?

What about a hard border between the two countries? Would you be alright with that?
I assume you'd refuse to leave if the losing side insisted on one?
How many different types of leave would you put on the ballot paper?
And after you've won, im assuming you would be happy to accept being told you were too thick to understand what you'd voted for and would be happy for the richest people in Scottish society to deny your right to leave.

I wouldn't bother really mate. No offence, but if you voted to leave you wouldn't be allowed to . It's the way referenda are followed through on these days.

Time will tell. I’m hopeful that’s all I can say. I might be wrong, it’s happened before. One battle at a time. Win the main one regroup, then solve all the issues you mention. Without winning, the rest is academic.

 

[Magicpole]

Some people will always make money out of other people’s misery, the short selling of US mortgages made some very wealthy. However you just know if Corbyn was PM it’s not the really wealthy that will suffer (although he will try), it will be vast majority on middle incomes that will pay for his huge social budget.

Unless we make a fist of getting the estimated £220b in unpaid tax from companies and the rich. I would start there.

 

[BobKowalski]

Bury your head in the sand if you want, I voted Labour all my adult life from James Callaghan to Tony Blair. I can’t vote for the Tories but I don’t want this set of Labour clowns in.

I think you are the one buying the Corbyn package, he’s a fucking joke as are his cohorts.

The redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich? Fuck all to do with the huge National debt and the need to control and manage it then allied with the global banking crisis?

The choice was political. Austerity went further and longer than was needed and has caused unnecessary harm. Bit like Brexit. Also brought to you by the Tories.

Most of what Labour are proposing are bog standard policies in most European countries. I’m not a fan of Corbyn but there is a lot of hysteria surrounding him.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Time will tell. I’m hopeful that’s all I can say. I might be wrong, it’s happened before. One battle at a time. Win the main one regroup, then solve all the issues you mention. Without winning, the rest is academic.

If I was Boris today I would announce that if he wins the vote on preventing no deal today his first order of business on November 1st would be to table a Scottish indyref2 .

Ask the snp to put their money where their mouths are, we get brexit, you get a 2nd ref.

 

[Magicpole]

If I was Boris today I would announce that if he wins the vote on preventing no deal today his first order of business on November 1st would be to table a Scottish indyref2 .

Ask the snp to put their money where their mouths are, we get brexit, you get a 2nd ref.

I would rip the fucking arm out your socket for that.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I would rip the fucking arm out your socket for that.

What you going to put on the ballot paper make sure you have every choice on there so we know what you are voting for.

Also make sure you have a comprehensive plan for the border

 

[Ban-jani]

The choice was political. Austerity went further and longer than was needed and has caused unnecessary harm. Bit like Brexit. Also brought to you by the Tories.

Most of what Labour are proposing are bog standard policies in most European countries. I’m not a fan of Corbyn but there is a lot of hysteria surrounding him.

His manifesto isn’t extreme in the slightest but what it means is that big business leaders and those in the top 5% won’t be as well off, so they use what powers they have to discredit and make out that Corbyn is going to turn us into the USSR.

The media is the greatest tool in all of this.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I would rip the fucking arm out your socket for that.

They could do indy ref 2, General Election and Brexit confirmatory referendum all on the same day. That would be fun.

 

[Len Rum]

Its one big mess, I’d had enough of it two years ago and purposely not read anything about it. TV and radio straight off at the hint of Brexit.

I think an election may just be the right way to go though. Im just cacking it at the thought of a Government led by Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell. They would bring this country to its knees, it was bad enough when Labour bankrupted the country last time when that twat Brown sold off the nations gold just before the price went on to hit a record high.
Brexit has been a three year disease, hopefully it’s not terminal.

Ah Gordon Brown and the gold.
An event that happened 19 years ago and is estimated to have cost 5bn (worse case) a modest sum compared to today's cock ups, and in the best case it cost nothing (if you take into account switch to other assets) - google it. And the country wasn't bankrupted by it, we then had eight years of economic prosperity until the global financial crisis.
What your post does illustrate is how people are easily taken in by the right wing media.
Surprised you didn't bring up Denis Healey turning back at the airport in 1977 during the IMF crisis.

 

[Magicpole]

They could do indy ref 2, General Election and Brexit confirmatory referendum all on the same day. That would be fun.

Now that would be a day to go down as momentous. I’m in.

 

[Magicpole]

What you going to put on the ballot paper make sure you have every choice on there so we know what you are voting for.

Also make sure you have a comprehensive plan for the border

There will be a guy sitting in a reclaimed old caravan, with a fried mars bar supper and a can of Irn Bru asking people if they’re alright.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

best thing I've seen during the whole brexitbollocks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p07mdr8s/49582760

 

[BobKowalski]

If I was Boris today I would announce that if he wins the vote on preventing no deal today his first order of business on November 1st would be to table a Scottish indyref2 .

Ask the snp to put their money where their mouths are, we get brexit, you get a 2nd ref.

So you want the U.K. to no deal Brexit and throw indyref 2 onto the blazing fire? I mean why not. Let’s invade Ireland as well given we no longer seem to give a fuck about anything anymore.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Some people will always make money out of other people’s misery, the short selling of US mortgages made some very wealthy. However you just know if Corbyn was PM it’s not the really wealthy that will suffer (although he will try), it will be vast majority on middle incomes that will pay for his huge social budget.

That would be the silly way to tackle wealth inequality, any sound socialist knows that you should take it from the very rich and in fact make things easier for small bussiness entrepeneurs. Afcourse economic conservative wing always will claim that the socialists will target more groups that the very wealthy because that might push more groups in their camp. The reality eitherway is that the stark rising of the wealth gap is one of the most obvious socio-economic problematic trends of the last 3 decade's and it's exactly tackling the power of the very wealthy that proves hard to do.