Another new Brexit thread

[smudgedj]

I would rip the fucking arm out your socket for that.

Let the entire UK vote this time.

 

[aguero93:20]

Let the entire UK vote this time.

Taking back control from your evil Scottish overlords?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The choice was political. Austerity went further and longer than was needed and has caused unnecessary harm. Bit like Brexit. Also brought to you by the Tories.

Most of what Labour are proposing are bog standard policies in most European countries. I’m not a fan of Corbyn but there is a lot of hysteria surrounding him.

I particularly like the right wing of the Tory party quoting the IMF or the FT about how bad a Corbyn government will be, as if they’re world authorities.
When either of them say Brexit will be economically disastrous, they quickly become discredited charlatans...

 

[Ban-jani]

What you going to put on the ballot paper make sure you have every choice on there so we know what you are voting for.

Also make sure you have a comprehensive plan for the border

Easy, have it as a 2 stage referendum process.

Once Scottish Parliament has negotiated a deal with London then that gets put back to the people. they can choose to take it or to remain in the UK.

Set this out before so there’s no moaning if it’s a shit deal.

 

[hammocity]

That would be the silly way to tackle wealth inequality, any sound socialist knows that you should take it from the very rich and in fact make things easier for small bussiness entrepeneurs. Afcourse economic conservative wing always will claim that the socialists will target more groups that the very wealthy because that might push more groups in their camp. The reality eitherway is that the stark rising of the wealth gap is one of the most obvious socio-economic problematic trends of the last 3 decade's and it's exactly tackling the power of the very wealthy that proves hard to do.

I dint know your personal situation but you do sound like a left wing ideologist, this is the real world pal, you can’t just take money from the wealthy, it’s virtually impossible in democratic countries. Tax increases on middle earners will always raise more money than taxes on the wealthy who have ways and means of moving their money or just abandoning ship.

 

[hammocity]

Ah Gordon Brown and the gold.
An event that happened 19 years ago and is estimated to have cost 5bn (worse case) a modest sum compared to today's cock ups, and in the best case it cost nothing (if you take into account switch to other assets) - google it. And the country wasn't bankrupted by it, we then had eight years of economic prosperity until the global financial crisis.
What your post does illustrate is how people are easily taken in by the right wing media.
Surprised you didn't bring up Denis Healey turning back at the airport in 1977 during the IMF crisis.

It was just another nail in Labours coffin, I think the 5b would have been double that but I believe they sold of 58% of the gold reserve which is the best commodity to have in times of uncertainty.

 

[hammocity]

The choice was political. Austerity went further and longer than was needed and has caused unnecessary harm. Bit like Brexit. Also brought to you by the Tories.

Most of what Labour are proposing are bog standard policies in most European countries. I’m not a fan of Corbyn but there is a lot of hysteria surrounding him.

Anyone with a history of fucking Dianne Abbott should have their sanity questioned.

 

[BobKowalski]

Taking back control from your evil Scottish overlords?

When they are done with Scotland it will be the Welsh next. Give it another ten years and England will be reduced to feudal fiefdoms.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Now that would be a day to go down as momentous. I’m in.

Me too except there would be no referendum as we would already have left on October 31st.

The Scots get their ref . To be honest we're at the point now where we are morally obliged to grant another ref to the Scots anyway.

What would the snp do if it was offered?

 

[bluejon]

It was just another nail in Labours coffin, I think the 5b would have been double that but I believe they sold of 58% of the gold reserve which is the best commodity to have in times of uncertainty.

They sold that gold to stop the entire UK banking sector from going under.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Further evidence the world is going mad. “Mark Carney has given Brexiteers cheer by revising his forecasts, in light of the recent Brexit preparations.

GDP only going down by 5.5% not 8%.
Food prices only up 5-6% not 10%.
Unemployment up to 7% not 7.5%
He also says that inflation should peak at 5.5% so that’s all alright then.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

So you want the U.K. to no deal Brexit and throw indyref 2 onto the blazing fire? I mean why not. Let’s invade Ireland as well given we no longer seem to give a fuck about anything anymore.

We are so split as a union nowadays we are almost at the point where we are morally obliged to grant another indyref anyway .

The Scots want the EU, as is their right. The English and Welsh want to leave as is their right.
As for Ireland, I would go the whole hog and ask the Republic to accept reunification, grant British citizenship to those that want it, and agree to pay the reunification costs for the next 20 years .

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What if you don't get a deal off the rest of the Union?

Would you crash out with no deal or back yourselves to accept a stumble in the early days but then thrive as a newly independant nation after that?

And would you be happy if the losing side voted to give England the right to delay your exit pretty much indefinitely?

What about a hard border between the two countries? Would you be alright with that?
I assume you'd refuse to leave if the losing side insisted on one?
How many different types of leave would you put on the ballot paper?
And after you've won, im assuming you would be happy to accept being told you were too thick to understand what you'd voted for and would be happy for the richest people in Scottish society to deny your right to leave.

I wouldn't bother really mate. No offence, but if you voted to leave you wouldn't be allowed to . It's the way referenda are followed through on these days.

Haha great post. I would just wish one journo would put those questions to wee Jimmie Crankie and watch her squirm. She gets such an easy ride.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Haha great post. I would just wish one journo would put those questions to wee Jimmie Crankie and watch her squirm. She gets such an easy ride.

Cheers. It was tongue in cheek and not aimed at the person I was replying to but to those wanting indyref2 , these are the questions you're going to have to answer before being allowed to leave the union even if you "win" the referendum.

The facts are that this whole situation has completely shown our democracy up as a total sham.

If the establishment don't want you to leave, you're not leaving, no matter what the thick plebs vote for .

 

[joe123]

What if you don't get a deal off the rest of the Union?

Would you crash out with no deal or back yourselves to accept a stumble in the early days but then thrive as a newly independant nation after that?

And would you be happy if the losing side voted to give England the right to delay your exit pretty much indefinitely?

What about a hard border between the two countries? Would you be alright with that?
I assume you'd refuse to leave if the losing side insisted on one?
How many different types of leave would you put on the ballot paper?
And after you've won, im assuming you would be happy to accept being told you were too thick to understand what you'd voted for and would be happy for the richest people in Scottish society to deny your right to leave.

I wouldn't bother really mate. No offence, but if you voted to leave you wouldn't be allowed to . It's the way referenda are followed through on these days.

In fairness, prior to the indyref, the SNP were forced to spell out exactly what it entailed - for some reason I've got 260 pages in my head. People got the chance to make a much more informed decision, and elected to stay. I imagine they'd have to do the same again.

Wasn't one of Cummings deliberate tactics to be as vague as possible, as detail puts people off? It's one of the reasons we're in this fucking shambles.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

We are so split as a union nowadays we are almost at the point where we are morally obliged to grant another indyref anyway .

The Scots want the EU, as is their right. The English and Welsh want to leave as is their right.
As for Ireland, I would go the whole hog and ask the Republic to accept reunification, grant British citizenship to those that want it, and agree to pay the reunification costs for the next 20 years .

Thanks very much.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

In fairness, prior to the indyref, the SNP were forced to spell out exactly what it entailed - for some reason I've got 260 pages in my head. People got the chance to make a much more informed decision, and elected to stay. I imagine they'd have to do the same again.

Wasn't one of Cummings deliberate tactics was to be as vague as possible, as detail puts people off? It's one of the reasons we're in this fucking shambles.

What deal had they negotiated with Westminster? Because that deal wasn't on the ballot paper .

It was a binary choice, given to the people, and we now know that if leave had won they wouldn't have been allowed to leave as they wouldn't have known what they were voting for .

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Thanks very much.

You're welcome .It'd be the morally correct thing to do. A few hundred years late but better late than never .

 

[west didsblue]

In fairness, prior to the indyref, the SNP were forced to spell out exactly what it entailed - for some reason I've got 260 pages in my head. People got the chance to make a much more informed decision, and elected to stay. I imagine they'd have to do the same again.

Wasn't one of Cummings deliberate tactics was to be as vague as possible, as detail puts people off? It's one of the reasons we're in this fucking shambles.

Exactly. There really is no comparison. Prior to the Brexit vote there was just a pamphlet full of lies.

 

[BobKowalski]

We are so split as a union nowadays we are almost at the point where we are morally obliged to grant another indyref anyway .

The Scots want the EU, as is their right. The English and Welsh want to leave as is their right.
As for Ireland, I would go the whole hog and ask the Republic to accept reunification, grant British citizenship to those that want it, and agree to pay the reunification costs for the next 20 years .

Yeah I know. I’m a bit of an old fashioned Unionist but I can’t say I blame the Scots for looking to get out. Irish Reunification looks inevitable which is also fair enough.