Another new Brexit thread

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west didsblue said:
We can all see it coming except Sun, Mail and Express readers who will lap it up.
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Superimpose corbyns face onto an IRA uniform etc.

Saw a great tweet earlier. Which showed the difference in reporting of yesterday's events in The Scottish Sun and the English version. Murdoch knows they aren't as thick as a percentage of of my own birthrace are of believing him and his editorials.
 
Ban-jani said:
We can’t weaken our position further. The landlord knows we’ve got fuck all.
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west didsblue said:
When the walk away option is a shoebox in the middle of the road, it's not much of a bargaining position.
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If we truly are this fucked then we have nothing to lose by walking away - I can see either way being true but you can't logically have it both ways.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If we truly are this fucked then we have nothing to lose by walking away - I can see either way being true but you can't logically have it both ways.
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You’re not getting it, I don’t think, walking away is the worst case scenario and we have everything to lose by doing so. This means that the EU don’t take the threat seriously as it’s worse than any sort of deal we could get with them and it’s worse than the fall out they would have from it.
 
west didsblue said:
Eh?
What we're walking away from is what we've got to lose.
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Ban-jani said:
You’re not getting it, I don’t think, walking away is the worst case scenario and we have everything to lose by doing so. This means that the EU don’t take the threat seriously as it’s worse than any sort of deal we could get with them and it’s worse than the fall out they would have from it.
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Back to opinions / arseholes and all that. You both seem decent blokes and I'm happy to accept your opinions ( and arseholes) are different from my own.
 
lancs blue said:
Nope. Sinn Fein won't be taking their seats at Westminster, they're prepared to reach agreement about who stands in which constituency to help defeat DUP candidates.
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Northern Irish politics has been heading for a bit of a shake up. The issues are moving away from the two mian parties - do DUP voters really want brexit, do SF voters really want to have zero voice in the brexit debate.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Back to opinions / arseholes and all that. You both seem decent blokes and I'm happy to accept your opinions ( and arseholes) are different from my own.
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Nothing to do with opinions. It is a fact that putting up trade barriers reduces trade. Doing it overnight rather than gradually only adds to the shock to the system. Threatening 27 other countries with no deal chaos and carrying out that threat will harm relations with these countries, especially Ireland who announced yesterday they are in discussions with the EU about where to put customs posts for cross border trade in the event of no deal. Who you think Dublin will be blaming for this? The EU or the ‘Brits’? The Govts own analysis excepts it can only avoid having no checks on the NI border for a few months so then what? You think having customs posts in South Armagh is going to end well?

Gove at the Select Committee this morning excepted that Brexit with no deal is not an end point. It’s simply the point where we have no more illusions left and we have to deal with reality whilst trying to keep the country running. Gove also excepted, after initially denying it, that the leaked Yellowhammer document was a base scenario not a worst case scenario.

You’re deluding yourself if you think any of this shit is simply a question of ‘opinions’.
 
Ban-jani said:
That’s not an opinion. No deal is worse economically, than remain or a deal.
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An economically beneficial exit deal of any kind can never be agreed when the EU are committed, quite predictably, to ensuring the exact opposite. In our leaving strategy we've failed to act on or even recognise that reality, although made crystal clear at the outset of 'negotiations'. Without adequate preparations for the inevitable No Deal we are now being forced to remain. Hard to take but a far preferable outcome to the others now on offer. We then need to find another way out but when the time is right and not via the A50 route.
 
BobKowalski said:
Nothing to do with opinions. It is a fact that putting up trade barriers reduces trade. Doing it overnight rather than gradually only adds to the shock to the system. Threatening 27 other countries with no deal chaos and carrying out that threat will harm relations with these countries, especially Ireland who announced yesterday they are in discussions with the EU about where to put customs posts for cross border trade in the event of no deal. Who you think Dublin will be blaming for this? The EU or the ‘Brits’? The Govts own analysis excepts it can only avoid having no checks on the NI border for a few months so then what? You think having customs posts in South Armagh is going to end well?

Gove at the Select Committee this morning excepted that Brexit with no deal is not an end point. It’s simply the point where we have no more illusions left and we have to deal with reality whilst trying to keep the country running. Gove also excepted, after initially denying it, that the leaked Yellowhammer document was a base scenario not a worst case scenario.

You’re deluding yourself if you think any of this shit is simply a question of ‘opinions’.
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As I say, we all have one which we dearly love. You clearly like yours, and you are welcome to it.
 
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