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now lets the pain begin ?? the ECB must and i say MUST do something about this mess and build first thing monday morning for the ashes down under ??? stop all this shit with cross over with ODI cricket and test cricket players, just bring in test match cricketers and youth and build a team that can go and win the ashes back
 
Root isn't a captain, isn't a leader and the rest of the side made up of one day/20 over specialists are never test players in a million years.

Well beaten by one of the worst Aussie sides I've seen Smith aside and it isn't good enough.
 
now lets the pain begin ?? the ECB must and i say MUST do something about this mess and build first thing monday morning for the ashes down under ??? stop all this shit with cross over with ODI cricket and test cricket players, just bring in test match cricketers and youth and build a team that can go and win the ashes back

Aye. It's been a bit of a car crash, from day one. A mish mash side that they've played around with, more in hope than anything else.
Think Root isn't a good captain and going by the tosses, he's not even lucky.
 
now lets the pain begin ?? the ECB must and i say MUST do something about this mess and build first thing monday morning for the ashes down under ??? stop all this shit with cross over with ODI cricket and test cricket players, just bring in test match cricketers and youth and build a team that can go and win the ashes back

Where are these players though mate? The limited overs formats are the ones which the kids want to play and their techniques are honed in accordance. Test match techniques seem to be a thing of the past.
 
No mystery. Smith wasn't playing.

....we put on 72 for the last wicket.

That being said, he is obviously the big difference between the sides.

Unfortunately, we have failed to take advantage of promising positions.

I have no idea what Root was doing yesterday when Australia were 44-4. He practically gave Smith another score by bowling Overton and Leach.
 
Please please Root save your batting and stand down as captain you are diabolical as captain! Look at Paine today and just see the difference when they wanted wickets.

That 122/8 has cost us the ashes should of been all out for 180 and win that test totally different outcome!
 
Please please Root save your batting and stand down as captain you are diabolical as captain! Look at Paine today and just see the difference when they wanted wickets.

That 122/8 has cost us the ashes should of been all out for 180 and win that test totally different outcome!

He's played safe every time we needed to go for the jugular. He has no back bone to be a captain.
Sometimes you just have to say fuck it, lets go for it. It hasn't paid off anyway, so nothing would've been lost.
 
Maybe not a popular opinion but we just have to acknowledge they were just better than us. Their bowlers were very consistent and openers and Khawaja aside their batsmen shat themselves far less frequently. Plus they didn't field like idiots as often.
 
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Can’t be arsed getting into the histrionics on here but I will say Australia fully deserved it over the series. The big difference of course was a once in a lifetime batsman and a best in the world bowler.

The coaching change is coming at the right time. The ECB should be fucked for allowing this Ashes series to fall straight after the event.
 
He's played safe every time we needed to go for the jugular. He has no back bone to be a captain.
Sometimes you just have to say fuck it, lets go for it. It hasn't paid off anyway, so nothing would've been lost.

Yep agree. Look at Paine today noway we getting those runs had men on the boundary to stop the fours!

Sometimes stopping the fours and score board going nowhere creates wickets! When smiths in dry him up have men on the boundary!

Root is one of main reasons we lost the ashes and I wont be listening to any of his PR bullshit after surrendering the ashes with a piss poor Naive shitshow of a series by Captain haven't a clue Root.
 
Got to admit they were the better team. Shame about Jimmy as he could have made a difference . Stating the obvious but our top order not up to it but the tail showed some guts. Would like to see Curran and Pope next test. No idea who should be made captain next.
 
Dropping Woakes for Overton was madness.

Let’s be honest though, they’re just far superior in all aspects.

Root, Stokes, Archer, Broad are the only ones remotely good enough in that team today.
 
At least England have showed a bit of spirit these last 2 tests. Australia much the better side overall and deserved to win the Ashes. Excellent pace bowling attack they have and Smith is just the best out there at batting. Absolute quality series for him.
 
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