Jo Swinson

Ban-jani said:
It’s a temporary measure and then they’ll have a general election, I cannot fathom why they can’t just put party politics behind them and get it done.
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It’s temporary, but the caretaker PM gets to stay in office throughout the election campaign. My guess is that if Corbyn could demonstrate that he has the votes the Lib Dem’s would come on board. But it seems very unlikely that enough Tories would be able to stomach having Corbyn in charge of national security even if its only for a couple of months
 
cibaman said:
It’s temporary, but the caretaker PM gets to stay in office throughout the election campaign. My guess is that if Corbyn could demonstrate that he has the votes the Lib Dem’s would come on board. But it seems very unlikely that enough Tories would be able to stomach having Corbyn in charge of national security even if its only for a couple of months
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Aren’t some of the Tories meeting him or have met him?

As the leader of the opposition I think he’s the person who has to become caretaker, his party gained the 2nd most votes and therefore he has more of a mandate.
 
Ban-jani said:
Aren’t some of the Tories meeting him or have met him?

As the leader of the opposition I think he’s the person who has to become caretaker, his party gained the 2nd most votes and therefore he has more of a mandate.
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Yes, if he were to demonstrate that he has the necessary support to form a government then he should take priority over any other caretaker even if they might be able to command a larger majority.

But he needs to be able to show that he has the votes. And to maximise the chances of forcing Johnson to pack his bags, he needs to do it before he triggers the confidence vote
 
bluethrunthru said:
what we have learned is that none of these fuckers have the country at the heart of their posturing. Johnson purports to consider No Deal. Corbyn says he should lead because he is the Leader of Her Majesties Opposition and Swinson has her stance - she will work with any one -just not Corbyn. We are on the cusp of the point where the shit will hit the fan and nobody - repeat nobody - is saying that post 31/10 is this going to be good for us - so plague on all their houses and I hope they all feel the fucking heat
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She’s said that he won’t be able to get the support to form a temporary government, and she’s right. It will need Tory rebel backing and some of them will never do it.
 
meltonblue said:
She’s said that he won’t be able to get the support to form a temporary government, and she’s right. It will need Tory rebel backing and some of them will never do it.
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Swinson should have adopted a position of sceptical cooperation. Agreed to discuss the issue with Labour but put the onus on them to demonstrate that they could get the tories on board. And Insist they flesh out how the interim government would work
 
cibaman said:
Swinson should have adopted a position of sceptical cooperation. Agreed to discuss the issue with Labour but put the onus on them to demonstrate that they could get the tories on board. And Insist they flesh out how the interim government would work
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She did say she’d talk to him though, just that he wouldn’t be able to get the support of the Tory rebels and so him leading the temporary government wasn’t a viable option.
 
meltonblue said:
She did say she’d talk to him though, just that he wouldn’t be able to get the support of the Tory rebels and so him leading the temporary government wasn’t a viable option.
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Tories and some other anti no deal MPs will not support an interim government led by Corbyn, Labour will not support an interim government not led by corbyn. Its like the indicative votes where the remainers refused to agree a compromise solution.

A Corbyn led government wouldn’t be able to pass any legislation, other than to extend A50 and set a date for the election. But the PM and other ministers remain in post throughput the election campaign, with Corbyn in charge of national security and responsible for dealing with any crises which may arise. It’s that prospect which the Tory MPs can’t stomach.

Perhaps an acceptable compromise would be to form a coalition interim government. Form a rudimentary cabinet with Corbyn as PM and 70% Labour ministers. But with the rest from other parties. Ken Clarke for foreign secretary? And agree that any cobra, security council meetings etc include a couple of non Labour ministers. If there’s some independent oversight on what Corbyn gets up to behind the scenes it might be enough to get a few Tory MPs on board?

It probably wouldn’t work but unless they can come up with a compromise Johnson will simply sit out the 14 days before setting an election date in November.

In truth I think we’re looking at no deal unless one of the legal manoeuvres to stop no deal works.
 
Haha the stop brexit at all costs brigade too busy stopping each other :-)
 
blueinsa said:
Haha the stop brexit at all costs brigade too busy stopping each other :-)
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She backed the cons during the cialition and now she is willing to allow the dissafected tories win seats in exchamge for an alliance.

The Libds are slowly morthing into the tory B team.


Also those rebels like stewart voted for Mays deal, yet Swinson is willing to deal with them, but said no to Corbyn for being in favour of a deal.

Her and that party have no convictions to be one thing or the other.

 
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There seems to be a fair ammount of maneuvering by former tory and labour defectors to ensure they don't have to stand as lib dem (remain) candidates in their current seats. Not sure why - probably something to do with protecting democracy or the honesty in politics that appear to be their major concerns....
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
There seems to be a fair ammount of maneuvering by former tory and labour defectors to ensure they don't have to stand as lib dem (remain) candidates in their current seats. Not sure why - probably something to do with protecting democracy or the honesty in politics that appear to be their major concerns....
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Our voting system is utterly wank, mate. That's the root of the problem, for which the Libdems bear no responsibility!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Our voting system is utterly wank, mate. That's the root of the problem, for which the Libdems bear no responsibility!
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Quite, I'm still more annoyed with the referendum we had before the brexit one where we had a chance to reform and have PR. Iirc we were scared by Cameron with a leaflet warning of the chaos of constant hung parliaments into voting for the status quo. This seemed to plant the seed of referenda and scare tactics to solve divisive political issues.....
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Quite, I'm still more annoyed with the referendum we had before the brexit one where we had a chance to reform and have PR. Iirc we were scared by Cameron with a leaflet warning of the chaos of constant hung parliaments into voting for the status quo. This seemed to plant the seed of referenda and scare tactics to solve divisive political issues.....
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Until recently, one of the few redeeming qualities of FPTP was that it produces strong and stable (no pun!) government. No more. Problem is, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
 
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