Another new Brexit thread

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I loved the quip in response to Johnson calling someone a "Girly swot", saying that must be "in contrast to his Manly idleness".

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Shameful why ? it happens every year.....don't be fooled by the dog whistling of the snowflake left...………..they've had 3 and a half years to sort this out

You're not surely trying to pin this shambles on the 'left' .....jesus ... we are not in power ... which bit of thIS DONT YOU GET ... we don't have a majority (the right number of votes)


This is Conservatives at their self serving best

 

[blueparrot]

A joke, I dont think very many at all think its a joke at least not the humour context. If they do then I envy their blissful ignorance.

Treat it as a joke I said, not the same thing as thinking its. a joke. They won’t be taking to any barricades though, unless they can’t afford next years holiday.

 

[bluejon]

And, by implication, HMQ.

Deep shit.

In my alternate universe where everything isn't shit, the Queen just tagged Johnson in a picture of the aftermath of the wreckage of Diana's car in Paris with the hashtag #justsaying.

 

[purplenose]

So the economic catastrophe that awaits us will be nothing to do with leaving without a deal, in spite of the warnings from the BoE, CBI, OECD, SMMT, NFU, Civil Service and the government itself to name but a few.
Brilliant.

I am not sure where in my post I suggested that any economic disaster that may occur as predicted by such "impartial fonts of knowledge" would not be to some or greater degree the fault of leaving the EU without a deal. For clarity I am sure if we do leave without a deal there will indeed be negative consequences. However I believe there will be whatever the outcome.

Perhaps you thought I was championing my predicted outcome to this whole clusterfuck? Not sure how you could have gleened that one though....

Maybe you just need to pop along and join the long queue of football referees and cricket umpires that will doubtlessly be flooding your local SPECSAVERS.

 

[west didsblue]

You're not surely trying to pin this shambles on the 'left' .....jesus ... we are not in power ... which bit of thIS DONT YOU GET ... we don't have a majority (the right number of votes)


This is Conservatives at their self serving best

Ignore him. Can't decide it's idiocy or trolling.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’m confident he cannot pull something off. He’s not only quite clearly a liar but he’s fucking useless too.

Macron won’t be able to veto an extension if it’s for a General Election, which it will be.

The EU have already agreed to an extension if it’s too allow a GE and it will be.

I would laugh out loud if Boris withdraws his support for a GE if it's after October 31st and Labour can't manage a 2/3rd's majority, which of course they wouldn't be able to, nor to beat him in a confidence vote. It's actually rather amusing.

 

[west didsblue]

I am not sure where in my post I suggested that any economic disaster that may occur as predicted by such "impartial fonts of knowledge" would not be to some or greater degree the fault of leaving the EU without a deal. For clarity I am sure if we do leave without a deal there will indeed be negative consequences. However I believe there will be whatever the outcome.

Perhaps you thought I was championing my predicted outcome to this whole clusterfuck? Not sure how you could have gleened that one though....

Maybe you just need to pop along and join the long queue of football referees and cricket umpires that will doubtlessly be flooding your local SPECSAVERS.

Here's the key part of your quote again:

.....election will be called and Corbyn will win.

This in turn will cause economic catastrophe, the lefties will blame it all on the Tories as the country descends into chaos violence and class and ethnic conflict.

Seems pretty clear to me that you're blaming any future economic chaos fairly and squarely at Corbyn's door.

 

[purplenose]

Treat it as a joke I said, not the same thing as thinking its. a joke. They won’t be taking to any barricades though, unless they can’t afford next years holiday.

If you believe what the remain folks and some leave say if we go without a deal few will be able to afford next years holiday. Countries can go tits up very quickly indeed. I am currently struggling to see any hard evidence as to why it could not happen here.

After all we currently have a prime minister trying to silence the opposition and the general public whilst he carries out a deeply unpopular process that will one way or another have consequences for us all. If this were happening in another country you would be waiting for it to kick off. I am saying this as a leaver.

 

[Ban-jani]

I would laugh out loud if Boris withdraws his support for a GE if it's after October 31st and Labour can't manage a 2/3rd's majority, which of course they wouldn't be able to, nor to beat him in a confidence vote. It's actually rather amusing.

Tory hat firmly on now is it mate? Forget Johnson trying to destroy us through no deal.

Johnson doesn’t have a majority, he needs an election to do anything, otherwise he’ll keep getting beaten.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I would laugh out loud if Boris withdraws his support for a GE if it's after October 31st and Labour can't manage a 2/3rd's majority, which of course they wouldn't be able to, nor to beat him in a confidence vote. It's actually rather amusing.

You are starting to get a bit Vicky Pollard.

Yeah, but no, but yeah....

 

[purplenose]

Here's the key part of your quote again:

Seems pretty clear to me that you're blaming any future economic chaos fairly and squarely at Corbyn's door.

As it happens that was not particularly aimed at Corbyn. The evidence strongly suggests that we will take an economic kick in the bollocks if we leave without a deal regardless as to who is in power.

I am quite happy to say that economic chaos would just be a small part of the chaos across the board were Corbyn to get the keys to number 10. A truly apocalyptic prospect. That coming from someone who personally would be likely far better off under his government.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You are starting to get a bit Vicky Pollard.

Yeah, but no, but yeah....

I'm beyond caring now mate. So long as Corbyn is trashed in any forthcoming GE, I really don't care anymore. Hard Brexit? Utter calamity, but fine with me. Soft Brexit - OK. Remain? Great. Whatever.

 

[Chippy_boy]

As it happens that was not particularly aimed at Corbyn. The evidence strongly suggests that we will take an economic kick in the bollocks if we leave without a deal regardless as to who is in power.

I am quite happy to say that economic chaos would just be a small part of the chaos across the board were Corbyn to get the keys to number 10. A truly apocalyptic prospect. That coming from someone who personally would be likely far better off under his government.

Sounds like your views are pretty closely aligned with mine.

A Corbyn government with McDonnell in No. 11, is the greatest threat this country has faced in 75 years.

 

[cibaman]

I can't see this happening, but I think a way out of this shite would be to leave the EU, but remain in a customs union. We will have left the EU, so the referendum vote is seen through but in a way that doesn't send a wrecking ball through our economy. The referendum vote was 52-48, no where near enough for a mandate on a hard brexit. In short, no one will be happy, but that's the point. There is no happy outcome in this but I think that would be the best for the country in terms of keeping the number of pissed off people down to a minimum.

To be honest I’m not sure that remaining in a customs union indefinitely would be sensible, but I’m all for the “Norway for now” approach.

It would never happen, but the way I would do it would be:

Initially a soft Norway style brexit

After a five year period hold a referendum at which no deal, rejoin, soft Norway brexit or bespoke Brexit (if one had been negotiated) were all possible options, using an alternative voting system. But with the proviso that if no option receives more than 60% of the vote in the final run off then we continue with the Norway option for another 5 years, at which point repeat the referendum.

If any option receives more than 60% of the vote then that becomes the “settled” outcome. A future government could change that, but would first have to win an election with their proposed change included in their manifesto, and would then have to win a referendum with a 60%+ margin

 

[Neville Kneville]

Sounds like your views are pretty closely aligned with mine.

A Corbyn government with McDonnell in No. 11, is the greatest threat this country has faced in 75 years.

The greatest threat is in Government right now.

Even some of their own people are saying so, in Parliament.

We have seen fuck all like this. They are fucking disgusting.

 

[bluejon]

To be honest I’m not sure that remaining in a customs union indefinitely would be sensible, but I’m all for the “Norway for now” approach.

It would never happen, but the way I would do it would be:

Initially a soft Norway style brexit

After a five year period hold a referendum at which no deal, rejoin, soft Norway brexit or bespoke Brexit (if one had been negotiated) were all possible options, using an alternative voting system. But with the proviso that if no option receives more than 60% of the vote in the final run off then we continue with the Norway option for another 5 years, at which point repeat the referendum.

If any option receives more than 60% of the vote then that becomes the “settled” outcome. A future government could change that, but would first have to win an election with their proposed change included in their manifesto, and would then have to win a referendum with a 60%+ margin

I'd generally go along with that, especially the 60% bit, which is what the bar should have been set in the first referendum, but unfortunately david cameron is a colossal dick.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

To be honest I’m not sure that remaining in a customs union indefinitely would be sensible, but I’m all for the “Norway for now” approach.

It would never happen, but the way I would do it would be:

Initially a soft Norway style brexit

After a five year period hold a referendum at which no deal, rejoin, soft Norway brexit or bespoke Brexit (if one had been negotiated) were all possible options, using an alternative voting system. But with the proviso that if no option receives more than 60% of the vote in the final run off then we continue with the Norway option for another 5 years, at which point repeat the referendum.

If any option receives more than 60% of the vote then that becomes the “settled” outcome. A future government could change that, but would first have to win an election with their proposed change included in their manifesto, and would then have to win a referendum with a 60%+ margin

Like the idea of 60% but not sure how you work that over 4 outcomes.

 

[Rascal]

I understand and agree with what you are saying. However I stated what I did to dispel the belief that Brexit is just a Tory thing, when clearly it is not to many labour voters.

It was instigated by the Tories, but I agree it is not just a Tory thing. The problem is the portrayal of it as a Tory thing and the total lack of coverage of the LEXIT position. Therefore it became a Tory thing by default rather than by design .

I would categorise it more like this now

Left<--------------------Labour--------------------------------Centre-----------------------------Tory----------------------------------->Right

LEAVE< I--------------I===============================REMAIN =========I---------------------------------------------------I>LEAVE

 

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Ignore him. Can't decide it's idiocy or trolling.

Tbf, they're not mutually exclusive.