Another new Brexit thread

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Frost is the official appointed to head the U.K. negotiating team and he has been to Brussels several times.

Sorry mate, I thought you mean't David Frost, who Tbf hasn't been on telly for ages so might be in Brussels.

 

[journolud]

......sovereign parliament including all those so against it now voted for it as well.

I hope the fucking lot of them lose their seats at the next GE.

The mess we are in and face is the fault of Parliament and fuck all to do with the electorate.

650 lying, deceitful back stabbing twats.

I'm not the biggest fan of most politicians but I don't think sweeping statements like this add much to the debate. I really can't recall how the referendum bill was passed and whether there was much objection to it, perhaps many MPs thought it was a safe bet that remain would win and giving the public a vote would put the issue to bed for a while and take the wind out of Farage's sails and those like him.

What is clear now is that many MPs have had to wrestle with their consciences and some have paid quite a price for not doing the easy thing.

 

[BobKowalski]

He's BoJos' Sherpa

Given Johnson is currently trapped in an icy ravine of his own devising Frost is an apt name for his Sherpa.

 

[M18CTID]

I'm not the biggest fan of most politicians but I don't think sweeping statements like this add much to the debate. I really can't recall how the referendum bill was passed and whether there was much objection to it, perhaps many MPs thought it was a safe bet that remain would win and giving the public a vote would put the issue to bed for a while and take the wind out of Farage's sails and those like him.

What is clear now is that many MPs have had to wrestle with their consciences and some have paid quite a price for not doing the easy thing.

Sweeping statements don't help as I'm sure it's not all 650 but he does have a point, and it seems you do agree with him to an extent.

 

[joe123]

Clear and to the point...

the guy on the left looks the epitome of someone spectacularly out of their depth.

 

[blueinsa]

I'm not the biggest fan of most politicians but I don't think sweeping statements like this add much to the debate. I really can't recall how the referendum bill was passed and whether there was much objection to it, perhaps many MPs thought it was a safe bet that remain would win and giving the public a vote would put the issue to bed for a while and take the wind out of Farage's sails and those like him.

What is clear now is that many MPs have had to wrestle with their consciences and some have paid quite a price for not doing the easy thing.

Wankers the vast majority of them who instead of doing what the electorate asked and sticking to promises made have instead played party politics and back tracked.

The fucking lot of them can lose their seats for me and we start afresh.

 

[bluejon]

Wankers the vast majority of them who instead of doing what the electorate asked and sticking to promises made have instead played party politics and back tracked.

The fucking lot of them can lose their seats for me and we start afresh.

You must like May then? She went to Brussels, got a deal, it was voted down.

 

[journolud]

You must like May then? She went to Brussels, got a deal, it was voted down.

But many voted for it. Got to have some respect for them too.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This is a really disingenuous point as is Scotland voted to remain etc.

The vote was a national vote, it was not constituency based and that combination of voting systems really is irrelevant to the outcome. If it was constituency based as it could have been and delegates were elected on a one off special basis then Brexit would have been enacted with no problem. However at the general election people did not vote just on the basis of leave or remain. There were other factors that people considered to be more important. For instance, myself would always vote on the whole manifesto and especially the health policies and the brexit question was irrelevant to me

I understand and agree with what you are saying. However I stated what I did to dispel the belief that Brexit is just a Tory thing, when clearly it is not to many labour voters.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I understand and agree with what you are saying. However I stated what I did to dispel the belief that Brexit is just a Tory thing, when clearly it is not to many labour voters.

Yep, truly a cross party issue - as is remain.

 

[dave_blue12]

Wankers the vast majority of them who instead of doing what the electorate asked and sticking to promises made have instead played party politics and back tracked.

The fucking lot of them can lose their seats for me and we start afresh.

So you don't consider that faced with the consequences of Brexit many MPs have been guided by their primary duty which is to act in the best interests of the country.

No, of course you don't.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

So the public were intentionally misled, told that their vote would be implemented but not told it wouldn't be if they made the wrong choice.
Is that right?

Something like that but not sure about the intentional bit.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

'A no-deal Brexit would be a failure that both the British and Irish governments would be responsible for, Boris Johnson has said.'

Not quite sure how he figures it to be the fault of the Irish??

 

[BlueHammer85]

Wankers the vast majority of them who instead of doing what the electorate asked and sticking to promises made have instead played party politics and back tracked.

The fucking lot of them can lose their seats for me and we start afresh.

Do you play for Norf FC ?

 

[blueinsa]

So you don't consider that faced with the consequences of Brexit many MPs have been guided by their primary duty which is to act in the best interests of the country.

No, of course you don't.

No i dont.

These same MP's new what no deal looked like when they voted for A50.

If you listen to them they also knew what it looked like when they voted for the ref and the question asked but it didn't stop them.

Only ending up on the losing side has seen them suddenly face the consequences which I'm afraid makes me think that they are just fucking sore losers who now will stop at nothing to get their own way, to win and fuck the consequences of those actions.

 

[blueinsa]

Do you play for Norf FC ?

Yeah im the fat one with the bald head.

 

[abu13]

I heard an argument that if forced the Government could send the letter asking for an extention for a further 3 months if they are legal bound to, however as this is a request that has to be agreed by all the other member states it is not guaranteed to be accepted.

As this is the case the Government could also write a second letter making it clear to the EU that if an extension was accepted we would then be as problematic as possible while remain and veto policy changes etc..

In effect making it clear that while we are requesting the extension we don't want it and actively looking to make ourselves unwelcome.

Surely this can not happen?

 

[dave_blue12]

No i dont.

These same MP's new what no deal looked like when they voted for A50.

If you listen to them they also knew what it looked like when they voted for the ref and the question asked but it didn't stop them.

Only ending up on the losing side has seen them suddenly face the consequences which I'm afraid makes me think that they are just fucking sore losers who now will stop at nothing to get their own way, to win and fuck the consequences of those actions.

I find your analysis childish. Talk of winners and losers is pathetic.

Once Brexit goes ahead and I believe it will most sensible people will understand that we are all losers. FWIW I don't expect you to be one of those people .

Mistakes were made for sure but better to act in the best interest of the country than to continue with something that you believe to be extremely harmful to the country.

 

[Vic]

No i dont.

These same MP's new what no deal looked like when they voted for A50.

If you listen to them they also knew what it looked like when they voted for the ref and the question asked but it didn't stop them.

Only ending up on the losing side has seen them suddenly face the consequences which I'm afraid makes me think that they are just fucking sore losers who now will stop at nothing to get their own way, to win and fuck the consequences of those actions.

Do I have to remind you (obviously I do) that the government laid out what leaving would mean (leave CU and SM) but most of the Leave campaigns were rubbishing that with different sorts of "soft" leaves - Norway, Canada, and still being in a FTZ from Icleand to the Russian border?

And if Johnson had been PM and was saying what he's saying now, the MPs wouldn't have voted to let him start Article 50.

The sore losers thing is just madness now. It's like saying the Light Brigade (what was left of them) came back from the Charge and said "Go again, sir?" rather than admit the blunder (by those who couldn't really see what was likely to happen).
(I thought I'd find a war narrative older than WW2.)

 

[Vic]

I heard an argument that if forced the Government could send the letter asking for an extention for a further 3 months if they are legal bound to, however as this is a request that has to be agreed by all the other member states it is not guaranteed to be accepted.

As this is the case the Government could also write a second letter making it clear to the EU that if an extension was accepted we would then be as problematic as possible while remain and veto policy changes etc..

In effect making it clear that while we are requesting the extension we don't want it and actively looking to make ourselves unwelcome.

Surely this can not happen?

Not without more resignations from the Tory party and/or the Cabinet. And not without provoking a serious risk that, faced with an EU refusal to grant an extension (on whatever grounds), Parliament would vote to revoke article 50. The issue there is that they would do it as the obvious thing to do in the interests of the nation, but it is less obvious how it would pan out for their party in the aftermath.