Another new Brexit thread

[purplenose]

You actually think our system of democracy is better?

Where have I said that?

However it might be easier to change that as a nation outside the EU.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Where have I said that?

However it might be easier to change that as a nation outside the EU.

I haven't claimed you've said that; it was a question.

The odds on our electoral system changing are extremely remote, as the present set up is a bit of a.... errr......cartel.

 

[purplenose]

I haven't claimed you've said that; it was a question.

The odds on our electoral system changing are extremely remote, as the present set up is a bit of a.... errr......cartel.

Would that be easier to fight here or across an entire continent? In one country or 30 odd?

 

[west didsblue]

Where have I said Farage is the ark Angel Gabriel?


I am simply saying that I and clearly many others not just in this country but across Europe have grave reservations as to the direction the EU has and continues to head. Not wanting any part of it does not mean that I or anyone else is claiming some kind of perfect alternative.

Given a choice of Corbyn, Boris or being governed by the EU and Farage a would reluctantly and with great trepidation choose Farage.

As I have stated many times my ideal scenario would be that the EU changed direction somewhat and that we remained. As is that of many who currently support leaving.

Another post devoid of any basis in fact.

How anyone would choose Farage, however reluctantly, over anything based on the information that is actually available is completely beyond me. Actually it isn't because it's clearly based on sentiment only because it can't possibly be based on provable facts.

And for the record I didn't accuse you of saying that Farage was the archangel Gabriel or anything similar. That's just daft hyperbole.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Would that be easier to fight here or across an entire continent? In one country or 30 odd?

I don't think our membership of the EU will have any bearing whatsoever on the prospects of changing our electoral system and political structures.

 

[purplenose]

Another post devoid of any basis in fact.

How anyone would choose Farage, however reluctantly, over anything based on the information that is actually available is completely beyond me. Actually it isn't because it's clearly based on sentiment only because it can't possibly be based on provable facts.

And for the record I didn't accuse you of saying that Farage was the archangel Gabriel or anything similar. That's just daft hyperbole.

It is based on personal opinion. Quite frankly I feel that a country run by Farage would not be a great place to be at all, but in my opinion preferable to the others I mentioned.

 

[waspish]

He’s certainly made a rod for his own back with the lies but the issue was that the leverage itself didn’t make sense, as it would harm us more than the EU and therefore they were always going to call our bluff.

The other thing was that they simply left it up to him by saying they’ll accept alternative arrangements to the backstop. Unfortunately Johnson didn’t have any.

Agree, but with Boris could the eu trust him he wouldn't leave on wto? because we all know his track record of being reckless disingenuous and doing thing of the cuff! If that threat of leaving was still on the table I believe he would of got them to tweak the deal enough to pass in Parliament!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I don't think our membership of the EU will have any bearing whatsoever on the prospects of changing our electoral system and political structures.

True. Our membership of the EU has zero relevance.

 

[mcfc1632]

That's putting it mildly. We've never seen anything like this though, it's incredible. (quick side note, just been outside having a cig, chatting to a guy from our IT dept. Had to explain to him that no deal doesn't mean remain. Gobsmacked doesn't come close)

From that post it sounds like he may be a Remainer

 

[west didsblue]

It is based on personal opinion. Quite frankly I feel that a country run by Farage would not be a great place to be at all, but in my opinion preferable to the others I mentioned.

I know it's based on personal opinion.
Can I ask you on what basis you have formed that opinion?

 

[cptaidan88]

It is based on personal opinion. Quite frankly I feel that a country run by Farage would not be a great place to be at all, but in my opinion preferable to the others I mentioned.

Whats your opinion based on? Tories, Labour (currently) and Farage all want out of the EU. Which of Farages policies on literally anything else is it that thinks he would be a better option to lead the country through it than the other two?

 

[Neville Kneville]

He wants a Faragist Dictatorship, problem is he couldn't win a goldfish at a village fete.

Thinking about I may even consider supporting a Fascist dictatorship if that **** Farage got what he deserved.

I would start slowly with a week in the stocks with him being smothered in raw sewage on the hour every hour. The sewage would be rubbed into his body by a mixture of Polish and Romanians, the Bulgarians would be busy ripping his toenails out very slowly and the Turks could his finger nails with rusty nail clippers. There would be a mixture of oriental ladyboys smoking fags in front of him and blowing smoke in his face, whilst the Germans sing loudly and drink stein after stein of Dortmunder before urinating all over him.

After the stocks I would let the French lose on him using the rack and other medieval torture methods whilst burqa clad Muslim women praise Allah and kick him in the bollox repeatedly.

If that horrible fucking smug smile was still on his face I would let the Greeks sew his gob up using razor wire whilst the Estonians shit on his head. Then the Spanish could take him to a Bull ring a let loose hundreds of bulls to gore the **** after they dress him all in red so the bulls can find him, then the French can guillitione his arms and legs off before the Italians stab in him his buttocks and then disembowel the horrible twat.

What is left of him I would put on a plinth in Trafalgar square and allow people to use blowpipes with poison darts on him, then feed his remains to a tribe of midgets from Bongo Bongo land.


Of course Paul Nuttall would have had all this done to him before just after he was Pope, became a Professor of Philosophy, won the 100m at the Olympics and played centre forward for England after opening the bowling against the Aussies and winning Wimbledon playing left handed.



Apart from that i don't mind him, the ****

Tbh he'd enjoy most of that apart from the legs off/ death & the muslims.

 

[purplenose]

I know it's based on personal opinion.
Can I ask you on what basis you have formed that opinion?

I really cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I thing the EU is going to go tits up, but that is why I see us better off out of it now because ultimately I think it will meet the same fate as both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Regarding domestic alternatives, I honestly cannot see how anyone could throw their hat in the ring with either Labour or Tories. Both are beyond words as to how bad they are.

In all likely hood I personally will ruin my ballot paper come the election but if forced would back Farage ahead of the others out of what is close to desperation and the hope he could not do any worse than the others.

 

[bluejon]

From that post it sounds like he may be a Remainer

No, he voted leave. He probably thought 'leave' meant 'leave the issue of the EU alone'.

 

[purplenose]

Whats your opinion based on? Tories, Labour (currently) and Farage all want out of the EU. Which of Farages policies on literally anything else is it that thinks he would be a better option to lead the country through it than the other two?

Boris and his decreasing band of followers want out, as do many Tory voters, many less want a no deal Brexit.
Labour do not want out even if a good few of their voters do.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I really cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I thing the EU is going to go tits up, but that is why I see us better off out of it now because ultimately I think it will meet the same fate as both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Regarding domestic alternatives, I honestly cannot see how anyone could throw their hat in the ring with either Labour or Tories. Both are beyond words as to how bad they are.

In all likely hood I personally will ruin my ballot paper come the election but if forced would back Farage ahead of the others out of what is close to desperation and the hope he could not do any worse than the others.

If it does go tits up, it will be far far easier to do deals with relevant countries as it splits up, rather than bailing out on our own whilst they are a solid block. We don't have the Euro currency.

So leaving on that basis is an even worse idea, when you could just wait & cash in, even help it come about if the end of the EU was a goal.

There's a great reason for leaving the EU, if someone fancies becoming tied economically & therefore politically to an ultra right alliance under Donald Trump, but the other reasons given tend to all be pretty much bollocks.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

if upheld could he....oh irony of ironies.....take it to the European Court? The idea of a British PM seeking a ruling from the European Court on a decision they don't like taken in the UK Courts and disputed in the Commons on a decision that revolves around " restoring power to our Parliament and Courts by taking back control from the EU " will be fucking full Bozo the Clown !

Still giggling over this :)

 

[west didsblue]

I really cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I thing the EU is going to go tits up, but that is why I see us better off out of it now because ultimately I think it will meet the same fate as both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Regarding domestic alternatives, I honestly cannot see how anyone could throw their hat in the ring with either Labour or Tories. Both are beyond words as to how bad they are.

In all likely hood I personally will ruin my ballot paper come the election but if forced would back Farage ahead of the others out of what is close to desperation and the hope he could not do any worse than the others.

I didn't ask you about the EU.
I was asking how you could bring yourself to support Farage even if you don't like him much.

 

[purplenose]

If it does go tits up, it will be far far easier to do deals with relevant countries as it splits up, rather than bailing out on our own whilst they are a solid block. We don't have the Euro currency.

So leaving on that basis is an even worse idea, when you could just wait & cash in, even help it come about if the end of the EU was a goal.

There's a great reason for leaving the EU, if someone fancies becoming tied economically & therefore politically to an ultra right alliance under Donald Trump, but the other reasons given tend to all be pretty much bollocks.

When it goes there will be an awful lot of things to think about before economic deals.

 

[purplenose]

I didn't ask you about the EU.
I was asking how you could bring yourself to support Farage even if you don't like him much.

I like the alternatives less...If i did vote for him I would do so more in hope than expectation thats for sure.