Another new Brexit thread

[Chippy_boy]

No-deal Brexit (WTO export tariffs): Beef 84% Cheese 57% Wheat 53% Butter 48% Lamb 48% Pork 30% Potatoes 11.5% Cars 10% Fish 9.6%
EU membership (Single Market export tariffs): Beef 0% Cheese 0% Wheat 0% Butter 0% Lamb 0% Pork 0% Potatoes 0% Cars 0% Fish 0%
Spot the problem.

You know I am a remainer, but just to set the record straight mate

(a) WTO rates vary by country - they are not fixed rates as you imply above

(b) We can set whatever rates we like on our imports. i.e. If we want to charge 0% for imported car parts, we can

(c) the EU WTO rates are not those above. For example, cheese is charged by type and and by weight, not a % fee at all.

 

[purplenose]

Each of these cases match up to what I said. 1 party or individual in total power by using the mechanisms of the state to take out the opposition.

Again - who or what party in the EU is doing that?

I would say the EU are approaching a politburo. At this stage no one individual would appear to be a figure head dictator. How that changes in the near future we will wait and see. It certainly cannot be held up as a shining light in democracy.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yep its what you expect when every fibre of this country has been entwined in the eu for 40+ years it will be a disaster if we leave on WTO though.

Id rather we revoke article 50 but the country did vote to leave! Think we will get a deal that Parliament will vote for! Can not see us ever leaving on WTO, Boris comes across as disingenuous Idiot but one thing I believe was he wanted leverage with no deal to get a better deal but with Boris track record no one believes him and why we in the mess we are now.

He’s certainly made a rod for his own back with the lies but the issue was that the leverage itself didn’t make sense, as it would harm us more than the EU and therefore they were always going to call our bluff.

The other thing was that they simply left it up to him by saying they’ll accept alternative arrangements to the backstop. Unfortunately Johnson didn’t have any.

 

[purplenose]

Has Boris been led to the Tower yet to have that ugly toffy nosed **** head lopped off yet? Here’s hoping.

Now I have to agree with the sentiment but how a Scotsman can call Boris ugly when you have the delectable Nicola "Jimmy Cranky" Sturgeon is beyond me.

 

[Rascal]

If the Supreme Court issue an order for Parliament to reconvened the consequences will be catastrophic for Boris. Interesting refutation on Sky just now of Sumption's argument about the separation of the political and the legal when this prorogation has been shown as clearly intended to prevent parliament from exercising their due political deliberations.

Wouldn't be ironic if it ended up at the ECJ

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I would say the EU are approaching a politburo. At this stage no one individual would appear to be a figure head dictator. How that changes in the near future we will wait and see. It certainly cannot be held up as a shining light in democracy.

Total BS, there is no one dictator because it is not a dictatorship. But thanks for sharing.

 

[lancs blue]

I would say the EU are approaching a politburo. At this stage no one individual would appear to be a figure head dictator. How that changes in the near future we will wait and see. It certainly cannot be held up as a shining light in democracy.

Which country exactly is the "shining light in democracy", it's certainly not one with an unelected Upper Chamber and a hereditary monarch. In that regard the EU is no more or less democratic than the UK.

 

[Magicpole]

Now I have to agree with the sentiment but how a Scotsman can call Boris ugly when you have the delectable Nicola "Jimmy Cranky" Sturgeon is beyond me.

It’s really easy. Have a look at the baw faced fat twat. Nicola is like Emily Blunt compared to that ogre.

Just as well he’s rich or he would have gone blind years ago.

 

[Rascal]

In Labour's case it would mean cancelling their Manifesto, which would be a huge relief for their leadership. The effort those Comrades have to put into concealing their plans for the systemic abolition of capitalism is wearing them down.

Come on George, I converted you to the cause this morning, your membership pack is in the post and I have had T-shirts printed with Red George, the peoples person on them.

 

[1.618034]

Comfy room at the Tower?

Nah.

Fuck comfy, throw the **** in the moat/ditch.

 

[George Hannah]

Wouldn't be ironic if it ended up at the ECJ

Delicious though the prospect may be for some ECJ competences do not extend to Member States' constitutional matters and those of the ECHR have been adopted our Supreme Court.

 

[BobKowalski]

Each of these cases match up to what I said. 1 party or individual in total power by using the mechanisms of the state to take out the opposition.

Again - who or what party in the EU is doing that?

I’d keep an eye on that Tusk chap. It’s always the quiet ones.

 

[George Hannah]

Come on George, I converted you to the cause this morning, your membership pack is in the post and I have had T-shirts printed with Red George, the peoples person on them.

I cancelled my membership right after they elected Jezzer but they were still taking their DD two years later. When challenged I was told it was on automatic renewal and I couldn't have a refund.

 

[purplenose]

Which country exactly is the "shining light in democracy", it's certainly not one with an unelected Upper Chamber and a hereditary monarch. In that regard the EU is no more or less democratic than the UK.

I would not for one minute claim we do have a shining light democracy here. We have gone from being close to a police state/dictatorship in the 80s to a corrupt mess now.

This does not however make any difference to the EU moving in a very worrying direction.

 

[purplenose]

Total BS, there is no one dictator because it is not a dictatorship. But thanks for sharing.

Perhaps the word Cartel may fit rather than dictatorship.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I really dont think Farage wants a fascist dictatorship. Infact the EU is more headed to a dictatorship than he is.

Yeah a dictatorship involving 27 countries, rather than one unelected bloke sacking off Parliament because he doesn't fancy the 'rigmarole' of democracy.

We are blessed to have these people saving us.

 

[west didsblue]

I really dont think Farage wants a fascist dictatorship. Infact the EU is more headed to a dictatorship than he is.

It's opinions like that which encapsulate in a single sentence why we're in the shit we're in.

Too many people have honest opinions that are totally devoid of facts that back up that opinion. In this case we're comparing Farage with the EU.

Farage has sole control of a limited company called The Brexit Party Ltd that will be putting up candidates in the next general election. He has full control of the policies of this organisation. There are no checks and balances and he has full authority to do whatever he wants. There is no manifesto and if there was there would be no-one to hold him to it. That is the very definition of a dictatorship.

The EU has a President appointed by the elected representatives of the 28 constituent countries. His role and responsibilities are strictly defined and he is fully accountable to not only the EU Council but the EU Parliament consisting of directly elected representatives put in place by all the EU citizens that can be bothered to vote. The very opposite of a dictatorship.

The problem is that 40% of the population think like you. If just some of them would spend a bit of time looking at the real facts rather than basing their opinions on emotion, sentiment and what they read in the right wing press we'd be in a much better place.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I would say the EU are approaching a politburo. At this stage no one individual would appear to be a figure head dictator. How that changes in the near future we will wait and see. It certainly cannot be held up as a shining light in democracy.

You actually think our system of democracy is better?

 

[Rascal]

I really dont think Farage wants a fascist dictatorship..

He wants a Faragist Dictatorship, problem is he couldn't win a goldfish at a village fete.

Thinking about I may even consider supporting a Fascist dictatorship if that **** Farage got what he deserved.

I would start slowly with a week in the stocks with him being smothered in raw sewage on the hour every hour. The sewage would be rubbed into his body by a mixture of Polish and Romanians, the Bulgarians would be busy ripping his toenails out very slowly and the Turks could his finger nails with rusty nail clippers. There would be a mixture of oriental ladyboys smoking fags in front of him and blowing smoke in his face, whilst the Germans sing loudly and drink stein after stein of Dortmunder before urinating all over him.

After the stocks I would let the French lose on him using the rack and other medieval torture methods whilst burqa clad Muslim women praise Allah and kick him in the bollox repeatedly.

If that horrible fucking smug smile was still on his face I would let the Greeks sew his gob up using razor wire whilst the Estonians shit on his head. Then the Spanish could take him to a Bull ring a let loose hundreds of bulls to gore the **** after they dress him all in red so the bulls can find him, then the French can guillitione his arms and legs off before the Italians stab in him his buttocks and then disembowel the horrible twat.

What is left of him I would put on a plinth in Trafalgar square and allow people to use blowpipes with poison darts on him, then feed his remains to a tribe of midgets from Bongo Bongo land.


Of course Paul Nuttall would have had all this done to him before just after he was Pope, became a Professor of Philosophy, won the 100m at the Olympics and played centre forward for England after opening the bowling against the Aussies and winning Wimbledon playing left handed.



Apart from that i don't mind him, the ****

 

[purplenose]

It's opinions like that which encapsulate in a single sentence why we're in the shit we're in.

Too many people have honest opinions that are totally devoid of facts that back up that opinion. In this case we're comparing Farage with the EU.

Farage has sole control of a limited company called The Brexit Party Ltd that will be putting up candidates in the next general election. He has full control of the policies of this organisation. There are no checks and balances and he has full authority to do whatever he wants. There is no manifesto and if there was there would be no-one to hold him to it. That is the very definition of a dictatorship.

The EU has a President appointed by the elected representatives of the 28 constituent countries. His role and responsibilities are strictly defined and he is fully accountable to not only the EU Council but the EU Parliament consisting of directly elected representatives put in place by all the EU citizens that can be bothered to vote. The very opposite of a dictatorship.

The problem is that 40% of the population think like you. If just some of them would spend a bit of time looking at the real facts rather than basing their opinions on emotion, sentiment and what they read in the right wing press we'd be in a much better place.

Where have I said Farage is the ark Angel Gabriel?


I am simply saying that I and clearly many others not just in this country but across Europe have grave reservations as to the direction the EU has and continues to head. Not wanting any part of it does not mean that I or anyone else is claiming some kind of perfect alternative.

Given a choice of Corbyn, Boris or being governed by the EU and Farage a would reluctantly and with great trepidation choose Farage.

As I have stated many times my ideal scenario would be that the EU changed direction somewhat and that we remained. As is that of many who currently support leaving.