Another new Brexit thread

[BlueHammer85]

I’m waiting for somebody to take the Remain Rabble to Court when they try and force through a 2nd Brexit election, and in doing so, trying to annul the 1st democratic Brexit election and leave result.

Yes, Boris is a c***t, but the way the Remain Rabble have behaved is an absolute disgrace.

I’ll accept a no deal block, even though it wouldn’t bother me if the UK left with a no deal, but I can’t and won’t accept a 2nd referendum, just to overturn the result of the 1st referendum, after the Remainers lost it.

By hook or by crook they are using every political and judicial tactic open to them to ‘force a 2nd Brexit referendum’.

Corbin, you f***ing left-wing, Tom Watson, Union & Momentum puppet!

All along you promised to abide by the Brexit referendum result, and now you’ve capitulated to the pressure from your Labour Union pay masters and from the far left Momentum activists. You spineless c***!

The thought of you as PM and in power, and backed by the Trade Unions and Momentum, is a truly frightening thought.

If you was a MP - Would you abide by the (non legally binding) result if it meant severe economic damage in your constituent that voted remain ?

 

[i kne albert davy]

On what grounds would they be taken to court?!

For making me mad at em for a start.

 

[Saddleworth2]

On what grounds would they be taken to court?!

Coz they won and it’s t’will of t’ people innit.

 

[George Hannah]

Leavers may have to accept that Brexit via A50 has turned out just too damaging.
We need to revoke and reset for a course that changes the EUs political direction from within or depart when the whole project inevitably disintegrates as a result of their federalist ambitions.

 

[purplenose]

Cool. So how many years do you give it ?

How many goals will City score against West Ham in the next five years? Well any answer you give would be a pure guess, any answer I gave you would be a pure guess.

As it is I think it has already begun to come apart. Regardless of whether we leave or not 17 odd million people went to the polls and declared it a crock of shit. Thats without taking into account the rise of extreme political groups left and right across the continent, then we have increasingly terminal divides in not just our country but several others including France and Germany.

Then of course there is increasing economic gloom in Europe which is hardly surprising as three countries cannot carry several others who simply have not got the same capacity as others.

As it heads to more federalisation there increases the risk of conflict with Russia.

The EU aims to change and control how people of all kinds of nationality and ethnic, political and religious leanings live their lives. The clear signs that across Europe are against that are being ignored and something will give.

I have yet to hear one argument outlining how the EU can make countries as different as France Germany, Bulgaria, Albania (i know but it wont be long) all live and work under the same set of rules. It is inevitably failing.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

On what grounds would they be taken to court?!

An offence contrary to the Unicorns Act of 2016.

 

[robbieh]

How many goals will City score against West Ham in the next five years? Well any answer you give would be a pure guess, any answer I gave you would be a pure guess.

As it is I think it has already begun to come apart. Regardless of whether we leave or not 17 odd million people went to the polls and declared it a crock of shit. Thats without taking into account the rise of extreme political groups left and right across the continent, then we have increasingly terminal divides in not just our country but several others including France and Germany.

Then of course there is increasing economic gloom in Europe which is hardly surprising as three countries cannot carry several others who simply have not got the same capacity as others.

As it heads to more federalisation there increases the risk of conflict with Russia.

The EU aims to change and control how people of all kinds of nationality and ethnic, political and religious leanings live their lives. The clear signs that across Europe are against that are being ignored and something will give.

I have yet to hear one argument outlining how the EU can make countries as different as France Germany, Bulgaria, Albania (i know but it wont be long) all live and work under the same set of rules. It is inevitably failing.

With the greatest of respect this is not the reality. I live in Spain and it is not being forced to be like Germany, France or Ireland. Some of the things that go on here eg bullfighting would not be tolerated elsewhere. Abortion? Allowed in most countries but not in N Ireland. Even in Spain there are enormous cultural differences between say Andalucía and Navarra. The idea that the EU has turned us all into identikit euro citizens is false.

 

[purplenose]

With the greatest of respect this is not the reality. I live in Spain and it is not being forced to be like Germany, France or Ireland. Some of the things that go on here eg bullfighting would not be tolerated elsewhere. Abortion? Allowed in most countries but not in N Ireland. Even in Spain there are enormous cultural differences between say Andalucía and Navarra. The idea that the EU has turned us all into identikit euro citizens is false.

Not saying they have, but I believe that is the long term intention by and large. At the end of the day a Federal Europe reducing nation states to US like States is a danger in my view. I personally want no part of it.

 

[journolud]

I’m waiting for somebody to take the Remain Rabble to Court when they try and force through a 2nd Brexit election, and in doing so, trying to annul the 1st democratic Brexit election and leave result.

Yes, Boris is a c***t, but the way the Remain Rabble have behaved is an absolute disgrace.

I’ll accept a no deal block, even though it wouldn’t bother me if the UK left with a no deal, but I can’t and won’t accept a 2nd referendum, just to overturn the result of the 1st referendum, after the Remainers lost it.

By hook or by crook they are using every political and judicial tactic open to them to ‘force a 2nd Brexit referendum’.

Corbin, you f***ing left-wing, Tom Watson, Union & Momentum puppet!

All along you promised to abide by the Brexit referendum result, and now you’ve capitulated to the pressure from your Labour Union pay masters and from the far left Momentum activists. You spineless c***!

The thought of you as PM and in power, and backed by the Trade Unions and Momentum, is a truly frightening thought.

There is no law against stupidity.

 

[mcfc1632]

Much ado over nothing. It only affects people who don't live here and who are registered for healthcare somewhere else. They should just buy travel insurance like everyone else does.

I know and respect that you are a devout Remainer - but just recently it has been refreshing to see a couple of posts from you setting straight some of the unfounded scare-mongering that we Leavers get bombarded with on a daily basis

Thank you

 

[mcfc1632]

We will have to agree to disagree on that.

Your reply is by far more polite - I wonder if that will be noticed and lead to modified behaviour?

 

[mcfc1632]

Get with the programme - Any person wishing to break free from a Germany dominated Europe are literally Hitler. :-)

Thanks for putting me straight

I keep making the mistake of using common-sense and being rational

 

[purplenose]

Your reply is by far more polite - I wonder if that will be noticed and lead to modified behaviour?

I suspect not.

It seems perfectly ok to attack and insult anyone who doesnt have a left leaning political view and be committed to the great European experiment here on Bluemoon. Mind you that seems to replicate the general conduct in general across the country currently.

 

[mcfc1632]

Uninformed shite is my speciality, after all.

But the report had fuck all to do with Brits abroad, it was about expat Brits visiting the UK. So your Bupa comments whilst deeply fascinating are somewhat off topic.

And BTW, do remember i am a Remainer. I thought the insults were saved up for Brexit supporters?

Oh the insults are indeed poured on to Brexit supporters - you have spotted it!!

Also, will the UK Citizens living in EU countries suddenly lose healthcare overnight? Not aimed at you - but the people that suggest that you KFA

 

[mcfc1632]

I suspect not.

It seems perfectly ok to attack and insult anyone who doesnt have a left leaning political view and be committed to the great European experiment here on Bluemoon. Mind you that seems to replicate the general conduct in general across the country currently.

As an aside - I saw a post from @Rascal - not sure which thread - commenting on his absence from the forum and how he will likely leave again because since his return he has noticed what a right-wing dominated place the forum is.

I quickly thought - WTF!!!!! - just what was it like before then????

For a 'normal centrist' fella like myself and quite a few others these political threads scream out what a left dominated forum this is

People seem to be in competition to prove that they are more left than others - who are indeed themselves left-biased

It is just a simple fact that 'normal centrist' people must seem like RWNJs to them

 

[purplenose]

As an aside - I saw a post from @Rascal - not sure which thread - commenting on his absence from the forum and how he will likely leave again because since his return he has noticed what a right-wing dominated place the forum is.

I quickly thought - WTF!!!!! - just what was it like before then????

For a 'normal centrist' fella like myself and quite a few others these political threads scream out what a left dominated forum this is

People seem to be in competition to prove that they are more left than others - who are indeed themselves left-biased

It is just a simple fact that 'normal centrist' people must seem like RWNJs to them

I must admit I find it astounding that you can be labelled "far right" for simply being of the opinion we would be better off out of the EU.

Slightly left of centre is how those who know me would describe me yet since Brexit on here I have been called out for racism no less I apparently Love Trump and Tommy Robinson.

 

[mcfc1632]

I must admit I find it astounding that you can be labelled "far right" for simply being of the opinion we would be better off out of the EU.

Slightly left of centre is how those who know me would describe me yet since Brexit on here I have been called out for racism no less I apparently Love Trump and Tommy Robinson.

There are quite a few of us in the same mould - we are learning to be increasingly quiet

 

[Blue Hefner]

All about opinions blue, I cannot think of anything more cataclysmic than Corbyn involved in any government. Hence I personally hold the view it would be 10 x worse under Corbyn than Farage.

If Corbyn was to win, I think it would be a narrow win and would require a coalition with the Lib Dem’s which would moderate any designs he might have on ripping up the country as we know it

Whereas Farage is nowhere near power and is not influencing UK politics in a very bad way. Let’s say Johnson wins and needs the support of the Brexit Part Ltd do you think one would help moderate the other or would take each to a particularly unpleasant extreme?

 

[FlemishDuck]

Thanks for putting me straight

I keep making the mistake of using common-sense and being rational

Germany dominated European federal state lol really?

The truth is this: every further trade cooperation inveriably means some loss of sovereiginty. The way the Uk has positioned itself in the EU makes it mostly a trade agreement with additional FoM and a number of economic standards and regulations. What seems starkly missing in the contemporary discussion imho is that if you are going to create trade agreements and further cooperations with the US or any other country besides the EU that you will loose a practicly similar amount of sovereignity to them. They too will have standards and regulations, just likely not as extensive like in the EU because more "liberal economics".

You can ask Aussie's, at some point not all that long ago they came with a legal conundrum that they could not ban adds on the usage of tobacco despite domestic wishes because it was so enshrined within a trade agreement with other country's. Note, obligations made to outher country's can supersede national law! For example youre people would not be able to prevent being dragged into war under certain provisions of NATO, and i must say i find it quite remarkable how much Brits seem to abhore the idea of a European millitary when already all these country's have traded in some sovereignity to be under the same NATO umbrella.

I find political languaghe in the UK sometimes just dense, but the most misused word in the discussion imho is "sovereignity", its some sort of idealistic notion that in the present world the UK can easily coexist with others withought adhering to a number of internationally agreed upon obligations significantly deminishing it's sovereignity, and as if that cooperating more with others than Europe would make such a difference in that regard.

 

[purplenose]

If Corbyn was to win, I think it would be a narrow win and would require a coalition with the Lib Dem’s which would moderate any designs he might have on ripping up the country as we know it

Whereas Farage is nowhere near power and is not influencing UK politics in a very bad way. Let’s say Johnson wins and needs the support of the Brexit Part Ltd do you think one would help moderate the other or would take each to a particularly unpleasant extreme?

It seems unlikely that Farage and Johnson will become bed fellows anytime soon and i agree that may be no bad thing for just the reason you suggest perhaps.

As a centrist a Labour Lib Dem pact would not cut it at all.