Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Well worth pointing out the dangers of labouring under misapprehensions and your last sentence contains two very salient ones. Our dysfunction is designed by the EU solely for their benefit. Their interest is to keep us inside the cartel as a paying member and lucrative controlled market not dump us out.

Seriously you cannot believe that nonsense. We are not some hapless damsel in a Victorian melodrama.

 

[cibaman]

She says the Queen can sack him. "I would normally wait for a PM to resign and recommend a successor but as the present PM is in prison for contempt of court/Parliament, and the bastard lied to me, I'll take my advice from elsewhere."

If she did sack him, wouldn’t she just send for another member of the government, eg Raab, to take over?

 

[yerwot?]

I await the next Through the Looking Glass attempt.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."
Exquisitely apt. So perfectly sums up the brexit m.o., sneer swerve sneer lie sneer condescend, sneer, divert, sneer, victimhood, sneer smug bullshit sneer more smug bullshit ad fuckin' nauseum. methinks

 

[The perfect fumble]

Ha ha - so witty - so incisive

You are right and it makes me feel lonely - so I can get you to come and join me

All that is needed is for you to answer the following question - with honesty:

Simple question and resist the urge to deflect - give a yes or no answer

Does a citizen of all non-EU nations enjoy the same opportunity to move to the UK as an EU citizen? or is there a level to which EU citizen is recognised and a distinction/differentiation is made?

Remember yes or no - oh and most of all - be honest

If your answer is No (spoiler - it is/should be) then yippee - we share the same opinion

If your answer is Yes - then I refer you back to the need to be honest

What if the answer is piss off?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Where is the Monster Raving Looney party these days? If ever there was a party to unite the electorate and deliver stable and proper government now is their time.

They reformed as the ERG when Lord Sutch passed on.

 

[bluethrunthru]

You view things as you are desperate to it seems

Quick question:

Has Bettel helped to improve the image of the EU within the minds of UK citizens that are not already, like you, committed to Remain?

If I was in charge of the upcoming Remain campaign in a GE I would be groaning

No but then that wasn't Mr Bettel's target audience was it? Anybody who backs Johnson sets their leadership bar so low

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not sure what you’re implying there, but I haven’t touched a drop tonight. Probably futile repeating the question, but I’ll give it another go. Are there any credible news outlets actually backing up your claim that Bettel “had to plead with the imported British Pro-Remain mob not to leave and stay to applaud his pathetic panto act”?

George is an enthusiastic proponent of the Rent-a-mob conspiracy. No demonstration is what it seems for George, it's all false flag, always a front for some clandestine organisation with nefarious motives.

He's stopped short of accusing the Luxembourg PM of paying actors to demonstrate, so there's hope for him yet.

 

[M18CTID]

The pro-Brexit party returned (just) at the last election has had two years and hasn't delivered Brexit (yet). If an anti-Brexit party were returned now in an election, the policy would be enacted in an hour by the new PM revoking article 50.

One is difficult - despite the claims it would be easy - but one is easy and delivers what we're told people want: just make it stop.

I know there's little point in debating this, simply because the Lib Dems are never getting in, but if you think that they could just cancel Brexit and expect everything to be hunky dory dandy without it causing major unrest amongst the wider public then you're living in cloudcuckooland. And don't go thinking that it would be as simple as those who voted Leave vs those who voted Remain either, because there are Remainers out there who are strongly against the idea of revoking too.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I know there's little point in debating this, simply because the Lib Dems are never getting in, but if you think that they could just cancel Brexit and expect everything to be hunky dory dandy without it causing major unrest amongst the wider public then you're living in cloudcuckooland. And don't go thinking that it would be as simple as those who voted Leave vs those who voted Remain either, because there are Remainers out there who are strongly against the idea of revoking too.

I can only see 2 somewhat peaceful endings to this whole mess.
1) The UK leaves with a deal
2) The UK puts forward a second referendum

Even then I'm not sure those two won't cause unrest

 

[The perfect fumble]

No but then that wasn't Mr Bettel's target audience was it? Anybody who backs Johnson sets their leadership bar so low

Do you think it might have crossed mcfc1632's mind, that Bettel did what he did and said what he said, because it's the truth?

The simple truth that Brexit is a fuck up, it's the UK's shit show and the man most responsible for it is Boris Johnson.

 

[Vic]

If she did sack him, wouldn’t she just send for another member of the government, eg Raab, to take over?

She'd look for someone who could win a vote. Corbyn could win a vote to ask for an extension, which is what the law demands of the PM, so she'll ask him, and he'll win that vote. It's the only one that matters at that point. It may be the only vote he'd win, but the "opposition" would now effectively control Parliament (and presumably appoint ministers).

 

[BobKowalski]

George is an enthusiastic proponent of the Rent-a-mob conspiracy. No demonstration is what it seems for George, it's all false flag, always a front for some clandestine organisation with nefarious motives.

He's stopped short of accusing the Luxembourg PM of paying actors to demonstrate, but he'll get there.

I seem to recall it’s Flat Earthers who believe Australia is a made up country and all ‘Australians’ are paid actors so I guess we are a week or so away from Brexiteers revealing that Luxembourg is a made up country with the sole purpose of embarrassing the British.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Just establishing a simple fact

Try answering the question I posed with a yes or no and all will become clear

Fuck me, are you doing this again? I logged back in to have a read of the thread and i thought it was Monday morning again....

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I know there's little point in debating this, simply because the Lib Dems are never getting in, but if you think that they could just cancel Brexit and expect everything to be hunky dory dandy without it causing major unrest amongst the wider public then you're living in cloudcuckooland. And don't go thinking that it would be as simple as those who voted Leave vs those who voted Remain either, because there are Remainers out there who are strongly against the idea of revoking too.

However the reverse is also perfectly true:-

If you think that the Tories could just do Brexit and expect everything to be hunky dory dandy without it causing major unrest amongst the wider public then you're living in cloudcuckooland. And don't go thinking that it would be as simple as those who voted Leave vs those who voted Remain either, because there are Leavers out there who are strongly against the idea of Leaving without a good deal.

 

[M18CTID]

I can only see 2 somewhat peaceful endings to this whole mess.
1) The UK leaves with a deal
2) The UK puts forward a second referendum

Even then I'm not sure those two won't cause unrest

Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that not everyone will be satisfied. That much is a given, but I think @gordondaviesmoustache probably had it about right when suggesting a soft-ish Brexit might be the best way forward in terms of causing the least unrest.

 

[cibaman]

She'd look for someone who could win a vote. Corbyn could win a vote to ask for an extension, which is what the law demands of the PM, so she'll ask him, and he'll win that vote. It's the only one that matters at that point. It may be the only vote he'd win, but the "opposition" would now effectively control Parliament (and presumably appoint ministers).

Win what vote? She wouldn’t be sacking Johnson because he’d lost a vote of confidence, so doesn’t the existing government stay in power until it does lose one?

 

[M18CTID]

However the reverse is also perfectly true:-

If you think that the Tories could just do Brexit and expect everything to be hunky dory dandy without it causing major unrest amongst the wider public then you're living in cloudcuckooland. And don't go thinking that it would be as simple as those who voted Leave vs those who voted Remain either, because there are Leavers out there who are strongly against the idea of Leaving without a good deal.

True enough, and I'm a Leave voter who wants us out with a good deal. I think the difference is that they (the Tories) haven't totally nailed their colours to the No Deal mast despite what some are suggesting, whereas Swinson has totally nailed her colours to the revoke mast.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that not everyone will be satisfied. That much is a given, but I think @gordondaviesmoustache probably had it about right when suggesting a soft-ish Brexit might be the best way forward in terms of causing the least unrest.

I agree, a Norway style deal imo is the way to go but the conservatives don't seem to have any interest in that

 

[M18CTID]

I agree, a Norway style deal imo is the way to go but the conservatives don't seem to have any interest in that

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'd hope that there will be a softening of stance from certain quarters as the days tick down. Compromise is the only realistic way of breaking the impasse IMO.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'd hope that there will be a softening of stance from certain quarters as the days tick down. Compromise is the only realistic way of breaking the impasse IMO.

Let's be honest that's not going to happen is it.
The conservatives are head charging into a no deal and unless there is some switch of government I don't see the current situation changing