Jo Swinson

M18CTID said:
Staying in the EU isn't extreme in itself

Revoking A50, effectively riding roughshod over a democratic vote in which over 17 million people voted for the opposite outcome, and not even having another referendum to gauge if the public's opinion has shifted, most definitely is.
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They can't do it unless democratocally elected with a mandate to do it & a majority.
 
Neville Kneville said:
What if there is a referendum & it's 51% vs 49% in favour of remain ?

No outcome is a good one.

It was a stupid fucking idea, having the referendum without having a big public outcry forcing it.

The Lib Dems are offering people a chance to put MPs in Parliament on that ticket, rather than a promise to argue some more & agree om nothing. Which is what will happen anyway.
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Stupid idea or not, you can't just turn the clock back over 3 years and expect it all to be fine if we revoke.

Anyway, they're not getting in because it'll lose them as many votes as it gains them IMO. I might not be on their target list but given I voted for them in 2015 and 2017, and was considering doing so again before they decided to go down this route, then that's one vote less in an area where they will be going head to head against Labour
 
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...ons-diary/79120/watch-lib-dem-glee-club-sing-

The party’s annual conference brings with it its infamous karaoke night, ‘Lib Dem Glee Club’, a chance for delegates to let their hair down after a tasking 12 months.

Among the classics sang into the early hours was a tune about going into coalition with Tony Blair’s then Labour, first performed in 1995 before he entered Downing Street.

With more recent coalition wounds still fresh, the delegates sang “Tony Blair can f*** off and die” with gusto.
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Imagine if that happened during the LP conference? BBC would hitting the wank wall in indignation.
 
blueinsa said:
Completely agree and trust me on this mate, brexit aside and Corbyn as an individual, you would be surprised what we would agree on politically over a pint or 3 ;-)
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I've no doubt about that.

Corbyn, Johnson, Farage, Tommy Robinson, Gina Miller, Jo Swinson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Katie Hopkins, Arlene foster.

In "normal" times these people, and many more I could list, would be fringe figures, but different as they all are, they have one thing in common, they are the symptom of our predicament not the cause of it.

Even Johnson.

As for Corbyn he's not a natural leader, he is not a gifted orator, never in his wildest dreams did he ever think he'd be leader of the opposition, let alone a potential Prime Minister.

He is there not by any design of his and certainly not entryism, but by a coup, but not the one you think, the one in 1994.

The long march back for Labour from the New Labour era started in 2010, with the narrow victory of a Kinnockite over a third way Blairite.

Once he resigned in 2015, the Blairites assumed the third way modernising coup could continue, only with different faces, with Corbyn a last minute addition to the ballot to give the illusion of diversity....

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But it didn't work out the way any of them anticipated, not least Corbyn....

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And ever since Corbyn has had to fight to retain his position.

I defend Corbyn not because I'm a fan and not because I agree with everything he stands for, but because he is there by right, he has a democratic mandate from his party but more importantly, whether you like it or not, he represents Labour as it is, not a Blair, or Burnham or Umunna, triangulating third way/one nation fudge, but a genuine progressive Labour Party, maybe a Labour Party not as you wish it to be, or remember it to be, but as it actually is.

Corbyn may win the election, he may not, but what he will offer is a genuine Labour vision for the future and if the people reject it, fine, at least they'll know what they don't want and they can continue with cake and eat it fantasies and do whatever it is you do when you're in the shit, but refuse to recognise it.
 
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M18CTID said:
Stupid idea or not, you can't just turn the clock back over 3 years and expect it all to be fine if we revoke.

Anyway, they're not getting in because it'll lose them as many votes as it gains them IMO. I might not be on their target list but given I voted for them in 2015 and 2017, and was considering doing so again before they decided to go down this route, then that's one vote less in an area where they will be going head to head against Labour
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It might do, or it might not, but it will be honest, rather than the telling everyone to vote for them & 'get a deal' which then means leave without one.

And the fact that you won't vote for them in these circumstances, proves the point.

If they were to win, it would be fair & square.

I hope they & the other opposition parties win a majority to prevent a no deal & hopefully the country sacks this shit off one way or another.

I will still reluctantly accept May's deal, if the HOC backs it btw.

But those extremist cunts won't so fuck them.
 
Neville Kneville said:
It might do, or it might not, but it will be honest, rather than the telling everyone to vote for them & 'get a deal' which then means leave without one.

And the fact that you won't vote for them in these circumstances, proves the point.

If they were to win, it would be fair & square.

I hope they & the other opposition parties win a majority to prevent a no deal & hopefully the country sacks this shit off one way or another.

I will still reluctantly accept May's deal, if the HOC backs it btw.

But those extremist cunts won't so fuck them.
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Now Plaid Cymru says it will campaign to "cancel" Brexit if a general election is called.

Same opportunism as the Lib Dems, they're looking to put clear water between themselves and Labour.

I hope they drown in it.
 
Neville Kneville said:
It might do, or it might not, but it will be honest, rather than the telling everyone to vote for them & 'get a deal' which then means leave without one.

And the fact that you won't vote for them in these circumstances, proves the point.

If they were to win, it would be fair & square.

I hope they & the other opposition parties win a majority to prevent a no deal & hopefully the country sacks this shit off one way or another.

I will still reluctantly accept May's deal, if the HOC backs it btw.

But those extremist cunts won't so fuck them.
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Actually, the fact is that I'm not voting for any fucker as things stand mate. Not Labour, not Conservative, not BXP, and now not Lib Dem. The Greens might just get my vote if they have a candidate standing in my area and I'm feeling in a good mood, otherwise there will be a great big fuck off skid mark adorning my ballot paper

I, too, would accept May's deal if that remains the only deal on the table
 
The perfect fumble said:
Now Plaid Cymru says it will campaign to "cancel" Brexit if a general election is called.

Same opportunism as the Lib Dems, they're looking to put clear water between themselves and Labour.

I hope they drown in it.
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I’m a big fan of Labour’s approach to Brexit now, before I was furious but their approach of a new deal and a referendum is incredibly mature.

That said, they’ve had to bend to that to get elected when previously they were against it because they felt they’d isolate their leave support.

Every party bends to the electorate to some degree and the Libs and Labour are no different.

I feel like you are threatened by them.
 
Plastic politician who says whatever she thinks will get her in power.

Fake as fuck!
 
M18CTID said:
Actually, the fact is that I'm not voting for any fucker as things stand mate. Not Labour, not Conservative, not BXP, and now not Lib Dem. The Greens might just get my vote if they have a candidate standing in my area and I'm feeling in a good mood, otherwise there will be a great big fuck off skid mark adorning my ballot paper

I, too, would accept May's deal if that remains the only deal on the table
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I'd prefer not to vote for any of them but I'll vote for anyone who can help stop the extreme right & worry about then getting rid of them if someone better comes along afterwards. I want to see the Tories destroyed. Lowest bunch of cunts I've ever seen in Government here.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m a big fan of Labour’s approach to Brexit now, before I was furious but their approach of a new deal and a referendum is incredibly mature.

That said, they’ve had to bend to that to get elected when previously they were against it because they felt they’d isolate their leave support.

Every party bends to the electorate to some degree and the Libs and Labour are no different.

I feel like you are threatened by them.
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You can feel what you like, but to adopt a policy you know you will never enact, is opportunism of the worst order.

Ultra Brexiteers want hard Brexit, clean break, fuck em....Boris Johnson

Ultra remainers want revoke Article 50, fuck the 17 million leave voters....Jo Swinson

Corbyn looks increasingly the only grown up in the room.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You can feel what you like, but to adopt a policy you know you will never enact, is opportunism of the worst order.

Ultra Brexiteers want hard Brexit, clean break, fuck em....Boris Johnson

Ultra remainers want revoke Article 50, fuck the 17 million leave voters....Jo Swinson

Corbyn looks increasingly the only grown up in the room.
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If they get in they will enact it?

You can not compare maintaining the status quo and the position of remaining to no deal.

It’s not fucking 17m+ voters as they’ll have been elected as a majority if they are to enact. There is nothing more democratic in the UK than that.

His policy is more mature and will be better socially, I complete agree, however the LibDems position isn’t half as bad as people are making out, at least it’s a clear direction.

People are making it out to be worse than it is because they’re either too loyal to Corbyn or disagree with remaining.

Let’s put political biases to one side for once.
 
Ban-jani said:
If they get in they will enact it?

You can not compare maintaining the status quo and the position of remaining to no deal.

It’s not fucking 17m+ voters as they’ll have been elected as a majority if they are to enact. There is nothing more democratic in the UK than that.

His policy is more mature and will be better socially, I complete agree, however the LibDems position isn’t half as bad as people are making out, at least it’s a clear direction.

People are making it out to be worse than it is because they’re either too loyal to Corbyn or disagree with remaining.

Let’s put political biases to one side for once.
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Agree with that.
If they get a majority in the next election (spoiler: they won't), it will largely be on the basis of that policy and they will have a mandate from the electorate to enact it.
If they form part of a coalition they will support a second ref, as they will have not had sufficient support to justify a policy of Revoke.
It's a pragmatic approach.
 
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