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M18CTID
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What exactly have I twisted or invented?
I'm guessing he's referring to your comment that the majority now want to remain. Personally, I think that is debatable because opinions are now so blurred insofar as while some Leave voters might have switched, there are also plenty of Remain voters that feel this is now so far down the line that it can't be reversed and perhaps the best course of action for us is a soft Brexit. Posters on this very thread have said that. My boss at work is a pretty staunch Remainer yet he also shares that view.
And I consider you to be a version of my description sthat I did bother to describe
A sort of hybrid of 1 & 2 with some added 'special qualities'
Well - when I say qualities.....
Anyway - crack on and argue with yourself
Well you’d be absolutely wrong because I’m content with leaving with a deal.
I’m just realistic and know there isn’t one without a Norway style deal or a Customs Union arrangement.
George Hannah
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Boris could surprise us all. No backstop, no customs union, no single market - no problem!Well you’d be absolutely wrong because I’m content with leaving with a deal.
I’m just realistic and know there isn’t one without a Norway style deal or a Customs Union arrangement.
Boris could surprise us all.
Considering Barnier told him yesterday, to stop “pretending to negotiate”, I highly highly doubt that.
He’s not given them a single alternative and he’s got about 11 days left until they won’t even entertain him, according to the Finnish PM.
I hope he does but there’s more chance of Laporte starting on Saturday.
M18CTID
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Considering Barnier told him yesterday, to stop “pretending to negotiate”, I highly highly doubt that.
He’s not given them a single alternative and he’s got about 11 days left until they won’t even entertain him, according to the Finnish PM.
I hope he does but there’s more chance of Laporte starting on Saturday.
You never know - he might pull something off in Aguerrrroooooooo time. Granted, the clock is running down and the noises aren't great from the EU side but I can't help thinking there might just be that little bit more going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of
George Hannah
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The public pronouncements of the EU on Brexit as with everything else do need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.Considering Barnier told him yesterday, to stop “pretending to negotiate”, I highly highly doubt that.
He’s not given them a single alternative and he’s got about 11 days left until they won’t even entertain him, according to the Finnish PM.
I hope he does but there’s more chance of Laporte starting on Saturday.
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The numpties up north were possibly not cowed by the threats of mass unemployment and the imposition ofIt was hardly a thumping majority was it with leave getting a million more extra votes than remain. I would imagine them numpties up in the North East who swayed the vote and fell for the bus headlines, who now have the car industries packing up and going elsewhere in Europe would think again.
Can anyone actually give me a benefit of leaving the EU on the off chance I might vote leave if we get another chance at voting? Also please explain to us all my you were hoodwinked by someone who doesn’t believe in Brexit but thought doing it might look good for his cv and didn’t want to win the referendum anyway?
an immediate tax rise, but as 16.2 million appear to have been, and so voted remain, it's clear that one stance trumped the other.
When is Nissan moving out of Sunderland?
Utter bollocksOf course mcfc1632 still believes it’s the fault of the group of people in the voting minority, who have been totally ignored by the government for 3 years, whilst pandering to the most extreme of Brexit supporters.
It’s total and utter delusion.
3 years accomplishing May's WA which - for a Leave Supporter - is worse than Remaining
It is a Remain WA and it is Leavers that have been wholly ignored
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You never know - he might pull something off in Aguerrrroooooooo time. Granted, the clock is running down and the noises aren't great from the EU side but I can't help thinking there might just be that little bit more going on behind the scenes that we're not aware of
I’m sorry but there isn’t. We’ll be in the EU by Christmas.
The noises aren’t just not great, they’re terrible.
Utter bollocks
3 years accomplishing May's WA which - for a Leave Supporter is worse than Remaining
It is a Remain WA and it is Leavers that have been wholly ignored
If only we had a leave voting PM who could offer an alternative... oh wait.
Remain voters hated that deal just as much as leave voters and 3 years on your only alternative idea to the backstop is “good will”.
Fucking delusional.
M18CTID
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The numpties up north were possibly not cowed by the threats of mass unemployment and the imposition of
an immediate tax rise, but as 16.2 million appear to have been, and so voted remain, it's clear that one stance trumped the other.
When is Nissan moving out of Sunderland?
Yeah, I must've missed that one. Although they're axing jobs worldwide, it looks like Sunderland might escape any job cuts:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-to-axe-12500-jobs-worldwide-carmaker-reveals
M18CTID
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I’m sorry but there isn’t. We’ll be in the EU by Christmas.
The noises aren’t just not great, they’re terrible.
Well I did predict on here last week that we'll still be in the EU this time next year!
Yep - you come across as being balanced and well worth engaging withIt was hardly a thumping majority was it with leave getting a million more extra votes than remain. I would imagine them numpties up in the North East who swayed the vote and fell for the bus headlines, who now have the car industries packing up and going elsewhere in Europe would think again.
Can anyone actually give me a benefit of leaving the EU on the off chance I might vote leave if we get another chance at voting? Also please explain to us all my you were hoodwinked by someone who doesn’t believe in Brexit but thought doing it might look good for his cv and didn’t want to win the referendum anyway?
Glad to see Boris is fully up to speed with the detail of what is required to replace the backstop. From a meeting with Barnier and Juncker:
According to an account of the meeting, the prime minister was told by his EU counterparts in no uncertain terms that the UK’s plan to replace the backstop by allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock (known as SPS) was not enough to prevent customs checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.
At that point, a befuddled Mr Johnson turned to David Frost, his chief negotiator, and Stephen Barclay, Brexit secretary, and said: “So you’re telling me the SPS plan doesn’t solve the customs problem?”
https://www.ft.com/content/7453c686-d9b7-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17
Reality strikes in the easiest negotiation in history.
Various news outlets are now reporting on BoJo's lunch yesterday. This from the Guardian sums up what a number are suggesting happened.
I find this totally plausible - at no point have i seen any evidence that BoJo understands the complexity and scale of cross border trade. The idea that you can thrash out a deal to solve the issues in a matter of weeks is in-itself evidence that he doesn't understand the problem.
Very surprised this hasn't been getting more coverage in this thread. Or maybe not. The Prime Minister, the person leading the charge to take us out without a deal, doesn't actually understand the situation we're in. Fantastic.
Nope - I have my description of you clear in my mind and your comments there just reinforce itWell you’d be absolutely wrong because I’m content with leaving with a deal.
I’m just realistic and know there isn’t one without a Norway style deal or a Customs Union arrangement.
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That is the targetBoris could surprise us all. No backstop, no customs union, no single market - no problem!
The threat of no deal is key
Fuck - but you do not even understand simple mattersConsidering Barnier told him yesterday, to stop “pretending to negotiate”, I highly highly doubt that.
He’s not given them a single alternative and he’s got about 11 days left until they won’t even entertain him, according to the Finnish PM.
I hope he does but there’s more chance of Laporte starting on Saturday.
What do you think EU representatives would be saying?
Cobblers.Utter bollocks
3 years accomplishing May's WA which - for a Leave Supporter is worse than Remaining
It is a Remain WA and it is Leavers that have been wholly ignored
A remain WA would be one that kept us in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border.
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